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African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by _teyd »

ceejayoz wrote: post #27
dotancohen wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're not really Houthis, they are followers of Hussein al-Houthi. I don't know why the Western media insists on giving them this name. Hussein al-Houthi was a Houthi, but most of his supporters are not. Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"?

> Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"? If they engaged in a rebellion under his leadership/memory separately from the rest of the Democrats, we probably would.

Probably Obamists, along the lines of Trumpists, Stalinists, Maoists, etc.

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Post by jt2190 »

cs702 wrote: post #3

Is there anyone here with relevant expertise who can tell us: Are the Red Sea attacks are a relatively minor, temporary hiccup? Or can they lead to another global wave of supply-chain disruptions, like the those we experienced during the pandemic? There's lots of evidence that the pandemic's supply-chain disruptions triggered inflation, and we're still fighting it. I'm not looking for predictions. I'm more interested…

I’m not an expert by any means, but futures prices are basically the sum opinion of traders about how much money it’ll take to ship things in the future, and some portion of that price is the cost of dealing with that extra risk.

Here’s a link to another index that tracks prices. Not sure if it’s a good one for this purpose — there are many others.

https://www.drewry.co.uk/supply-chain-advisors/world-contain...

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by yard2010 »

Geisterde wrote: post #4

You know how sometimes you find theres an simpler way of doing things? Sometimes its easier, or more scalable, it just takes creative thinking. Imagine for a moment a crazy idea, instead of sending a strike force to go turn people into mist, we try talking first? Its this weird phenomena, sometimes people dont rush into violence when they feel like their grievances are being taken seriously.

Excuse me, talking with whom? If you want to shoot, shoot! Don't talk

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by j4yav »

Geisterde wrote: post #33
newsclues wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming people are peaceful and rational is unrealistic.

Right, we havent spent the last 30 years trying to summon khorn over there, they are clearly irrational evil people that we just need to kill.

Their flag would be rejected in a superhero movie for being too cartoonishly evil: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slogan_of_the_Houthi_movemen...

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by sgift »

Geisterde wrote: post #35
sgift wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People told them to stop. The Houthis don't want to stop and instead continue to attack others. Mist it is.

Right, telling them to stop, that addresses their greivances, you should be a diplomat.

Their grievance is that Israel doesn't wait anymore until its killers come and try to kill people there, but has decided to make them go away. How exactly do you think we should address the Houthis grievances? Tell Israel "sorry, but the Houthi will only stop shooting rockets on ships if you accept getting murdered. Would this be okay?"

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by woodruffw »

dotancohen wrote: post #12
sealeck wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Houthis want conflict to remain in power domestically.

They're not really Houthis, they are followers of Hussein al-Houthi. I don't know why the Western media insists on giving them this name. Hussein al-Houthi was a Houthi, but most of his supporters are not. Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"?

Trumpers, Reaganites, Maoists, etc. It’s a standard political demonym structure in English.

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Post by confd »

dotancohen wrote: post #12
sealeck wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Houthis want conflict to remain in power domestically.

They're not really Houthis, they are followers of Hussein al-Houthi. I don't know why the Western media insists on giving them this name. Hussein al-Houthi was a Houthi, but most of his supporters are not. Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"?

> Would you call all Barak Obama supporters "Obamas"?

Not really, but if they were referred to as “Obamites” it wouldn’t be that jarring.

Are they referred to by something different in Arabic-language media?

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by Geisterde »

yard2010 wrote: post #44
Geisterde wrote: post #4

You know how sometimes you find theres an simpler way of doing things? Sometimes its easier, or more scalable, it just takes creative thinking. Imagine for a moment a crazy idea, instead of sending a strike force to go turn people into mist, we try talking first? Its this weird phenomena, sometimes people dont rush into violence when they feel like their grievances are being taken seriously.

Excuse me, talking with whom? If you want to shoot, shoot! Don't talk

Well yes, the goal is to shoot, talking wont bring more profit to lockheed after all, only killing can do that.

Re: African Ports Overwhelmed by Red Sea Reroutings

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Post by WaitWaitWha »

I think most miss is that what the media refers to as "Houthis", is the de facto Shia Government of Yemen.

Pointing this out because some of the comments read as bafflement over their organization and equipment. They are not a rag tag collection of villagers who decided pirating is the best path forward. They are often trained military.

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