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Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by peyton »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #49
NewsyHacker wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The shock you felt is a bit like the shock many foreigners feel when visiting the US, and seeing a consistent flow of television commercials with “Ask your doctor about X.” (Direct marketing of prescription drugs is banned in most of the developed world.)

I also just don't understand how it's profitable to run those ads in the US, given how niche some of the conditions are...like I'm pretty sure that if you have cancer, you're going to be asking your doctor about a lot of things anyway. What's the point of advertising cancer / lupus / drugs that extremely specific conditions that <0.1% of the US population have?

The math is such that you basically need to reach _every_ patient or you’re fucked.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by peyton »

soudiere wrote: post #56
bongodongobob wrote: post #32

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A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

I've tried both as well, and I suspect your lying to yourself about potency. I certainly didn't have a scale to measure the dosage to match say a 10mg orange adderall pill. By analogy, if you did a 75ml "shot" of alcohol each day, and then had a mixed drink one day, you would think it's a lot more potent.

Meth is substantially more serotonergic IIRC. Can’t find the numbers.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by methou »

NewsyHacker wrote: post #33
Areibman wrote: post #7

I just came back from Puerto Vallarta, and it's shocking how pharmacies advertise their drugs to tourists. I'm talking massive signs with every prescription med under the sun-- Adderall, Xanax, Retinol, you name it. All next to the HGH and testosterone posters featuring unreasonably muscular bodybuilders.

The shock you felt is a bit like the shock many foreigners feel when visiting the US, and seeing a consistent flow of television commercials with “Ask your doctor about X.” (Direct marketing of prescription drugs is banned in most of the developed world.)

And also gambling and personal loan ads, these are so wild.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by soudiere »

peyton wrote: post #72
soudiere wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've tried both as well, and I suspect your lying to yourself about potency. I certainly didn't have a scale to measure the dosage to match say a 10mg orange adderall pill. By analogy, if you did a 75ml "shot" of alcohol each day, and then had a mixed drink one day, you would think it's a lot more potent.

Meth is substantially more serotonergic IIRC. Can’t find the numbers.

Serotonegic? What does that even mean?

For a given quantity, eg 1mg, of methylamphetamine vs d-amphetamine, the meth will release more serotonin?

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by soudiere »

hotpotamus wrote: post #68
soudiere wrote: post #63

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Why does it blow your mind?

Imagining a doctor writing a script for meth is pretty amusing, and maybe if that’s not a cool enough drug, they can hand out some crack or something.

Why is it amusing? Because you think it has no therapeutic value?

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Post by burningChrome »

valec wrote: post #55
burningChrome wrote: post #20

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>> If the author weren't trying so hard to scare-monger Just read this article on The Atlantic and I would be scared considering what's passing for meth is considerably stronger than what people think nowadays: Different chemically than it was a decade ago, the drug is creating a wave of severe mental illness and worsening America’s homelessness problem. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new...

This article is peak scaremongering. At this point, cartel meth is approaching 98% purity. Given sufficient purity, it doesn't matter the synthetic pathway as the end result is the same.

>> This article is peak scaremongering.

Yeah, this is "peak scaremongering"?

But by 2014 the new meth was everywhere. When that happened, “it seemed that people were losing their minds faster,” a Los Angeles Police Department beat officer named Deon Joseph told me. Joseph had worked Skid Row for 22 years. “They’d be okay when they were just using crack,” Joseph said. “Then in 2014, with meth, all of a sudden they became mentally ill. They deteriorated into mental illness faster than I ever saw with crack cocaine.”

Susan Partovi has been a physician for homeless people in Los Angeles since 2003. She noticed increasing mental illness—schizophrenia, bipolar disorder—at her clinics around the city starting in about 2012. She was soon astonished by “how many severely mentally ill people were out there,” Partovi told me. “Now almost everyone we see when we do homeless outreach on the streets is on meth. Meth may now be causing long-term psychosis, similar to schizophrenia, that lasts even after they’re not using anymore.”

Drugs that cause psychosis much faster than ever before? Yeah, you're right, nothing to see here.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by valec »

burningChrome wrote: post #77
valec wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is peak scaremongering. At this point, cartel meth is approaching 98% purity. Given sufficient purity, it doesn't matter the synthetic pathway as the end result is the same.

>> This article is peak scaremongering. Yeah, this is "peak scaremongering"? But by 2014 the new meth was everywhere. When that happened, “it seemed that people were losing their minds faster,” a Los Angeles Police Department beat officer named Deon Joseph told me. Joseph had worked Skid Row for 22 years. “They’d be okay when they were just using crack,” Joseph said. “Then in 2014, with meth, all of a sudden they bec…

Newsflash---stimulants are prone to give people stimulant psychosis. Rising meth usage leads to rising psychosis. Again, with cartel meth approaching 98+% purity, the synthetic pathway doesn't really matter much anymore.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by 55555 »

bongodongobob wrote: post #32
55555 wrote: post #27

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Have you ever tried meth? I feel like you’re demonizing meth. There is someone reading this who needs meth to function and you’re comparing their prescription to rubbing alcohol. Meth has higher user ratings on Drugs.com for treating ADHD than dextroamphetamine or Adderall etc have. If it weren’t for the side effect profile and potential for abuse, I reckon it would be the mainline treatment. I empathize and understa…

A. They aren't comparing it to rubbing alcohol. The analogy is that they are both alcohol so they are the same right? Obviously not. B. I've tried meth. It's nothing like Adderall and much, much more potent.

You're right, sorry. The point of their analogy is that they aren't similar, because they're pointing out the parent comment's analogy is likewise bad.

A lot of people that have tried both meth and amphetamine in comparable dosages would tell you they are very comparable, though.

Re: Some Mexican pharmacies are selling full bottles of Adderall. But it's meth

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Post by hotpotamus »

soudiere wrote: post #76
hotpotamus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagining a doctor writing a script for meth is pretty amusing, and maybe if that’s not a cool enough drug, they can hand out some crack or something.

Why is it amusing? Because you think it has no therapeutic value?

I don’t see the point in playing obtuse here.
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