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Post by j4yav »

omnimus wrote: post #387
j4yav wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a car and a bike in the Netherlands. Most everyone I know has both. Both are nice to have at different times, and I've never experienced any of the nightmares GP is describing. I was curious so I just checked, and the number of cars is just shy of the number of people of driving age, even in the bicycle paradise of the Netherlands.

Sure but you cant bike and drive the car at the same time right? So they own a car and choose to bike. Imho this is even bigger win than people who have to bike because they cant afford a car. Lots of the peoples car needs would probably be covered by some form of car sharing but this is something car manufacturers hate and it has been always quite expensive. Maybe that will change. New driver licenses are rapidly dr…

I'm not following how that makes the nightmares from GP that I was replying to true, or are you making a different point? I didn't mean to imply that riding a bike was useless or anti-fun if that's how it came across.

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Post by Neikius »

dougmwne wrote: post #201
standardUser wrote: post #195

I think we should accept that, at least in the case of the US, most future transit infrastructure will be built on existing roads. Every other options is an order of magnitude more expensive. Plus, we have so many roads! If we didn't use them it the most inefficient way possible - cramming them full of giants cars for single people who also happen to be terrible pilots - we could get a ton of bandwidth out of them. A…

I’ve slowly lost my innocence when it comes to public transportation in the US. At this point I can see that 95% of the country is absolutely locked into low-density single occupancy transportation at least till we invent sky cars. We have trillions in sunk cost that covers nearly every road, every home and every business in America. We will never, ever be Europe.

You think Europe does not have roads covering everyone? This is the sunk cost fallacy at it's finest.

Maybe the most offensive thing about public transport to an American is that it cannot really be profitable by itself. Infrastructure rarely is but it is still worth investing in for the downstream effect.

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK »

coolspot wrote: post #343
acdha wrote: post #230

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Yes, and we have generations of people trained to think that walking further than a hundred feet is an extreme workout to be avoided and that transit systems are full of criminals. It seems like that culture is headed for a cliff, however, as the cost of cars continues to increase (the average sale last year was a year’s median pay!), budgets for road infrastructure become tighter, and climate change becomes harder t…

> we have generations of people trained to think that … transit systems are full of criminals Are they not? The BART Police Department's reports for 2022 show the following numbers for Part 1 UCR Crimes: Homicide: 3 Rape: 4 Robbery: 156 Aggravated Assault: 81 Burglary (Structural): 17 Larceny & Auto Burglary: 783 Auto Theft: 136 Arson: 10 Property Crime Subtotal: 946 Total: 1,190

so 90% are car crimes, not public transit crimes

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Post by nojvek »

Meanwhile China has built 42,000km (26,100 miles) of high speed rail.

https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/high-speed/rai...

US is now cursed by their own success. Eisenhower jump started the highway to connect all of US as the largest transport infrastructure project. We have been riding the success of that for a massive economy. We are on the plateauing side of that S curve.

cursed because we spent a ton of money and got into debt with trillions spent for wars without much to show.

Now we don’t have to money, nor the will to invest in the next S curve infrastructure project.

Meanwhile China is pumping out infrastructure at speed of thought.

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Post by nec4b »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #301
Der_Einzige wrote: post #243

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The people of Singapore pay a minimum of 100K for the privilege of owning a bottom tier car and the demand for cars there is overwhelming and insatiable, despite the world class and extremely clean mass transit systems. The reality is that cars are freedom and still superior from a continence and comfort standpoint. Americans are insanely privileged to have cheap, powerful cars.

The Singapore thing is about status, not freedom. For the last 15 years I've lived in various places around the world, and for all of them a private car is the most frustrating, least enabling method of transport available. Finding parking is a nightmare, traffic is a nightmare, having to concentrate on the idiots around me is a nightmare, not being able to drink when I go out is a nightmare, dealing with the mechani…

I believe you, since you seem to be fixated to using cars for the cities. People living outside of cities have none of those problems. Cars are truly one of the freedom most enabling inventions in the history of the mankind.

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Post by Eisenstein »

nojvek wrote: post #394

Meanwhile China has built 42,000km (26,100 miles) of high speed rail. https://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/high-speed/rai... US is now cursed by their own success. Eisenhower jump started the highway to connect all of US as the largest transport infrastructure project. We have been riding the success of that for a massive economy. We are on the plateauing side of that S curve. cursed because we spent a ton o…

Why do people say 'we don't have the money' for stuff like infrastructure? We never have a problem finding the 'trillions of dollars for wars'. It seems there is only ever a problem coming up with funds these days when it is to invest in things that help our own citizens (outside of just throwing money at them).

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Post by tnel77 »

JohnFen wrote: post #123
chrisco255 wrote: post #102

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The tech is fine, right? It's the long game you have to play with regulators and state and local officials to get right of way to build the tracks or tubes in the first place. Under current regulations, it would take a decade of intense focus and politickin' to probably achieve a minimal viable example.

> The tech is fine, right? No, the tech is not fine. There are really serious, showstopper issues with it. Issues that were known way back in the early 1900s and there is still no feasible way to overcome them.

Such as?

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Post by davidgerard »

zizee wrote: post #334
marcus_holmes wrote: post #313

I thought the point of Hyperloop was to head off the upgrading of Californian railway systems? Created and Hyped by Tesla's owner because Tesla needed Americans to stick to buying ever-more-expensive cars. So, its purpose is done now and it can retire gracefully. Or am I being too cynical?

The scuttlebutt was related to the Californian high speed rail project. Would that really take a significant number of cars off the road? And what was the expected completion date? My gut says that it would have an inconsequential impact to Tesla, but I'd be interested if people have numbers that make this theory hold water.

what "make this theory hold water" is that Musk said it outright.

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Post by eesmith »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #320
eesmith wrote: post #92

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Saying that something is an average cost does not mean everything costs that much. For example, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38234972 you said you have a 2001 Chevy Silverado short bed regular cab 4x4 truck. That's going to have higher fuel costs than a Honda Civic. Even if you leave out depreciation - and low-mileage vehicles have a higher resale value than high-mileage ones so I don't think you can do th…

This is insane. There is no way that Civic drivers are spending 2.2k USD per year on maintenance! This dumb tool has no idea how insanely low are maintenance costs for a Civic. Please: Civic drivers: Share some ridiculous stories of 200K+ miles, but no major repairs. This forum will flooded...

The Reverend Bayes tells us that using the precondition "Honda with 200K+ miles, but no major repairs" will not give the average cost across all cars. What of the Honda owners whose car after 130K miles needed major repairs but decided instead to junk it and buy another car? Why focus on a compact car when so many people have bigger vehicles?

Okay, so AAA's calculator is insane. Got better numbers?

https://caredge.com/honda/maintenance says "Honda maintenance costs an average of $428 per year" but also shows the estimated annual costs exceed $428 after the 4th year, and reaches $1660 after 12 years, saying "Honda models average around $7,827 for maintenance and repair costs during their first 10 years of service." or $782/year, which is 1/3rd that of AAA.

For a 5 year old Civic, it estimates maintenance costs across the next 5 years as 601+752+1057+1178+1291 = $4,879 which is about $976/year or 10 cents per mile.

Is that more reasonable? It still shows that your estimate of max $.26/mile for fuel should be $.36/mile for fuel+maintenance.

And for some reason you don't want to include depreciation, even though mileage certainly affects warranty coverage, insurance coverage, and resale value.

Consider that Edmund's estimates a 2019 Volt Hatchback LT 4dr Hatchback to cost over $2,000 in maintenance and repairs in its 5th year. https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/2019/cost-to-own/ (Also $2,000 for 2017 at https://www.edmunds.com/chevrolet/volt/2017/cost-to-own/ .) There's a jump in costs at the 5th year, I'm thinking because it assumes 15,000 miles per year, which means the the limited warranty and powertrain warranty have both run out by the 60,000 miles reached the 4th year.

Did you pay for your Volt in cash or did you finance? Was it new? What model year is it? How long do you plan to keep it? How often do you drive LA to San Francisco vs. your total mileage? How typical is your cost compared to others with the same model car?

All of these affect your true cost of driving beyond simple fuel costs.

Look, I totally get how you might prefer driving one of your cars to go to LA. But if you are going to justify it based on cost rather than personal preference you need to include the full cost, which is more complicated than just the price of fuel.

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