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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Note the violence. This is a person that can't control themselves when things don't go their way.

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>I want to ask: Do you...

This is the "I bet you're one of those people who " fallacy. It is the height of pettiness, and one of the most egregious tropes of low quality internet arguing.

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We should stop glamorizing criminal activities.

Even if someone's door is wide open, any self respecting individual wouldn't step in and steal. The urge is always there and is natural. But everything natural isn't the right thing to do.

Besides that, article has no technical hints as to why that happened. Rockstar level of IT environment is not that misconfigured I suppose or there are some inherent design flawa Internet protocol suite that can be exploited with a Firestick?

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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He is a danger to crappy security and those that fear free thinkers like him. There ought to be laws against locking people like him up. Rockstar said it cost them thousands of hours to recover...they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less. Rockstar has hired the wrong people, lol.

> they could have asked him, and it might have cost them orders of magnitude less.

from the article: > He broke into the company's internal Slack messaging system to declare "if Rockstar does not contact me on Telegram within 24 hours I will start releasing the source code".

he was extorting them.

Re: Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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For life?! This is ridiculous. It's like Kevin Mitnick in solitary confinement all over again. Because of a video game?

i think it’s because he was running an extortion group: https://www.tenable.com/blog/brazen-unsophisticated-and-illo...

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shouldn't they at least try to use this kid for good instead of locking him up ? but then who know maybe a 3 letter gov agency will take him to a bunker somewhere

"Use" implies control / coercion, given that this guy doesn't seem to respect authority, that's not going to work. You can't make anyone work for you or "do good".

They have lions in zoos and circus for decades, just saying

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Hundreds of thousands of man hours have been spent at the companies he hacked and in the justice system on his behalf. If you were the one whose crypto account he cleared out, or one of the people responsible for cleaning up after him, or even one of the lawyers trying to defend some idiot who tells the court he plans on committing more crimes as soon as he is released you might feel different. Do you think any of th…

First, > some idiot He's a kid with a very serious mental illness. Perhaps we don't need to sink to these insults. On the scale of things, what you describe is not "incredibly destructive". Many, many people have done worse (many legally). It's a crime (I never said otherwise) but not a big deal relative to very many other crimes - Rockstar didn't face any material danger; the justice system has lots and lots of case…

> He's a kid with a very serious mental illness. Perhaps we don't need to sink to these insults.

Granted. I was speaking more to the general frustration of defense lawyers who have clients that say things when they should have said nothing.

> Hundreds of thousands of man hours - What is that based on?

A guess from years of working for large tech corporations. A company level crisis of this magnitude sucks in a lot of people from a lot of departments. Add in all the other time spent by investigators and the courts, and I don't think I'm overestimating at all. Now multiply that times the 11 major breaches he was part of.

> international conspiracy - All the hyperbole undermines your point, imho.

Arrests were made in Brazil and the UK. Organizations from at least six countries were attacked. They attempted to extort millions from multiple companies. Personal data from 300k people in Argentina was released. They took down the site for COVID vaccination records in Brazil. Rockstar was the 11th attack and one of the less harmful ones, I'm not sure why people are so focused on that one. What about the leaked personal info, what about the impacts to Brazilian health ministry and Brazilian citizens? These weren't explorers just getting in to see if they could. They got in, pillaged data, and followed up with more crimes. They certainly conspired, and it was certainly international.

I'm not saying that this is the most heinous crime an 18 year old can commit, and I never did. I am simply saying that this was more harmful than a lot of people think, and if it was mental illness that caused him to do it, then it is pretty reasonable for the court to say that he wont be criminally liable, but that he is required to get help before he is trusted to be out in the world again.

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Life in prison for up to $10m in damages? At first I thought the number must be off by a factor of 10. I couldn’t help but see Dr Evil for a moment. These are at best property crimes, and while the sums are non trivial, sentencing children to indefinite imprisonment for a nonviolent crime against a megacorp is unconscionable.

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Plenty of people want to commit crimes that aren't sociopaths.

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Ah, the classic debate of whether biologically a clump of cells constitute an entire person or "victim", or is it something we are made to believe due to our teachings/religious beliefs. Out of the biggest global religions, 2 out of the 3 Abrahamic religions allow abortions, when necessary and if the mother is at risk. By that logic, abortion is allowed and should be done whenever necessary for the health of the mother. Allowing women to apply their rights to their own health does not make our society a majority of sociopaths. I am not saying to use abortion for irresponsible actions, but abortion in it's self, is not a sociopathic activity.

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"empathy impairment" is a fundamental feature of autism. It's not stigma. It'a not universal, but it is a major part of why it's a disorder in the first place.

As someone with autism, I lack empathy for (most) fake situations. Once I realized therapists and their ilk were lying about sad stories, I stopped having empathy for those sad situations. Ditto for fake news stories. Only mentally unfit people can pass a therapist's tests and be empathetic for people they know do not exist.

I'm not saying what you're saying is invalid, but I do have empathy for people that don't exist. It's called fiction and I find it quite enjoyable.

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A valid diagnosis of one condition doesn’t preclude a litany of seriously dangerous other ones, either, correct?

You might as well say "He has psoriasis, he might also be an axe murderer." No, one fact doesn't preclude the existence of other facts, very good. That doesn't mean that making stigmatising connections is reasonable.

There was no connection made, GP merely pointed out their observation based on what he has done so far
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