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How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by suslik »

insanitybit wrote: post #39
throwawa14223 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet existed without ads and big centralized sites. People ran their own sites, link rings, email and other services. The big guys have taken away so much of the ability to effectively self-host, but fundamentally we do not need them and we do not need ads.

You're talking about the internet when it was tiny and inaccessible, and you're acting like that was good. That's a position to take, but I don't think it's a good one - again, I would not have been able to write my blog for free, the sites we take for granted today would not exist. The only way to actually publish would be to have technical skills and money, which I don't think is good.

There a plenty of non-ad-driver services that allow hosting blogs for free. Github, cloudfare’s free tier, and many others - and you can certainly find a one-click vm deployment of a blogging platform for less then 5$. I believe this implies that saying that you must have ads to have free online services is a fallacy.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by g-b-r »

insanitybit wrote: post #54
stubish wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even today, a Wordpress blog costs about as much as a coffee per month. And that would be less without all the crap needed to serve ads and track users and monetize everything. I can't wait to find out what an ad-free Internet looks like. Maybe more like when I was a student, and stuff got put up because people were interested rather than as a side hustle. Perhaps cheap subscriptions or microtransactions for quality,…

> Even today, a Wordpress blog costs about as much as a coffee per month. I was able to do it for free because of ads. I was a teenager just getting into computer security, I had a $0 budget. That blog is why I even have a career. > and stuff got put up because people were interested rather than as a side hustle How are people who are interested going to put something up? They'll have to pay for it. Say goodbye to "I…

Things were already free before the advertising boom, internet was not really worse twenty years ago

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by insanitybit »

suslik wrote: post #81
insanitybit wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're talking about the internet when it was tiny and inaccessible, and you're acting like that was good. That's a position to take, but I don't think it's a good one - again, I would not have been able to write my blog for free, the sites we take for granted today would not exist. The only way to actually publish would be to have technical skills and money, which I don't think is good.

There a plenty of non-ad-driver services that allow hosting blogs for free. Github, cloudfare’s free tier, and many others - and you can certainly find a one-click vm deployment of a blogging platform for less then 5$. I believe this implies that saying that you must have ads to have free online services is a fallacy.

All of those businesses subsidize their sites because they're billion dollar companies. Is that better than just... using ads?

> I believe this implies that saying that you must have ads to have free online services is a fallacy.

I'm saying someone has to pay for it.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by grogenaut »

urbandw311er wrote: post #12

If you care at all about privacy and the future of a free Internet, this really should be that watershed moment that makes you take your head out of the sand. Seriously. Uninstall Chrome today and switch to something else. It’s only if enough people do it that they lose their grip and influence.

I've treated chrome like I used to treat explorer... I use it for work because saas and internal apps are often only tested on one platform. I use ff for everything else. Funny thing is chrome is breaking a ton of internal Amazon tools as they're killing tamper monkey which is used to a very high level inside.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by jiveturkey »

burningChrome wrote: post #34
midasuni wrote: post #21

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Based on the rubbish ads I get on YouTube on my phone I don’t think google are in any place to know what my interest even are. 5 years ago I used to get adverts for things like films which I would often watch the whole way through. Today I get adverts for phones and Chromebook. It’s like google are unable to sell adverts that actually target me and instead just throw their own rubbish I have no interest in, and even…

>> I guess they don’t have much data on me I would consider this a good thing. My wife and I were talking the other night at a friends who have an Alexa in their kitchen. We were talking about taking a ski trip out West to Colorado or Utah. We get the car to leave. She pops open her Facebook feed and wouldn't you know? She's getting ads for resorts in. . .wait for it. . . .Colorado and Utah along with the two places…

common human biases that led to this common incorrect assumption of spying. alexa was definitely not involved here.

i bet you were also talking about a bunch of other things, that didn't show up in the FB feed.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by g-b-r »

insanitybit wrote: post #39
throwawa14223 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The internet existed without ads and big centralized sites. People ran their own sites, link rings, email and other services. The big guys have taken away so much of the ability to effectively self-host, but fundamentally we do not need them and we do not need ads.

You're talking about the internet when it was tiny and inaccessible, and you're acting like that was good. That's a position to take, but I don't think it's a good one - again, I would not have been able to write my blog for free, the sites we take for granted today would not exist. The only way to actually publish would be to have technical skills and money, which I don't think is good.

It was NOT inaccessible

Look up geocities maybe, most providers gave you some free space anyhow

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by tomfutur »

cebert wrote: post #53

> “If you just clicked the big blue button that said “Got it” to make the pop-up go away, you opted yourself in.” The screenshots in the article clearly illustrate a concerning trend: users are often subtly coerced into opting into certain features or settings without full awareness. This usually happens when they hurriedly click a prominent button like 'Got it' just to dismiss an annoying pop-up. It highlights a sig…

At this point I'm so used to evil defaults, reverse psychology could work. Make the "deny all" button bright blue and the "gimme ads and viruses" button pale gray, and you might just catch me.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by grogenaut »

Always42 wrote: post #17
urbandw311er wrote: post #12

If you care at all about privacy and the future of a free Internet, this really should be that watershed moment that makes you take your head out of the sand. Seriously. Uninstall Chrome today and switch to something else. It’s only if enough people do it that they lose their grip and influence.

this. I went as far as uninstalling chrome ~1 year ago on my daily driver personal desktop. I use firefox as much as possible at work, but it is "not supported" by our IT department. Confluence doesn't even work properly with firefox, its insane. Try pasting a photo you copied into your clipboard (by selecting the file) into confluence and it wont work.

Use chrome for work and ff for everything else. You should keep your work and personal stuff separate anyway.

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by mderazon »

jiveturkey wrote: post #80
mderazon wrote: post #71

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Only thing keeping me out of using Firefox is the lack of multiple profile (one for work and one for personal). I know containers exist, it's not the same (they share extensions for example). It has been requested for many years but they think containers is the way to go which I disagree (or at least think it's not enough)

Do you even browse, bro? Profiles have existed in FF for a very long time, I believe even back to the launch of Chrome. I think what Chrome did was made them readily accessible. I might have the history slightly wrong, but FF has had them at least as far back as 2011. Can you please share where profiles have been requested for many years?

I don't compare it to Google's because it's hidden and not readily accessible like Chromium's version therefore I didn't consider them equal.

The part that has been requested is to make them accessible and first class and not tucked in behind screens that look like internal "power user" screens

Re: How to turn off Google's "privacy sandbox" ad tracking, and why you should

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Post by [deleted] »

cebert wrote: post #53

> “If you just clicked the big blue button that said “Got it” to make the pop-up go away, you opted yourself in.” The screenshots in the article clearly illustrate a concerning trend: users are often subtly coerced into opting into certain features or settings without full awareness. This usually happens when they hurriedly click a prominent button like 'Got it' just to dismiss an annoying pop-up. It highlights a sig…

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