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Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

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There is a world where we dig tunnels under federal highways, and stick freight trucks down there. They'd run on a monorail, at 120+ mph. Surface vehicles would be dramatically limited in terms of height, width, and length. Maybe people buses could go down there? In my imagination these tunnels are, like, 200' down. Like mole people.

Seattle has some underground light rail tunnels that are shared with buses

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#102
post #41

Robert Goddard designed a vacuum train in the 1910s, why did Elon think it was going to work a century later?

I'm going to guess that he didn't expect it to work. He never invested significantly, and there must be a reason. The simplest reason seems to be that he expected it not to work, at least with current technology.

The tech is fine, right? It's the long game you have to play with regulators and state and local officials to get right of way to build the tracks or tubes in the first place. Under current regulations, it would take a decade of intense focus and politickin' to probably achieve a minimal viable example.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#103
post #12

There is a world where we dig tunnels under federal highways, and stick freight trucks down there. They'd run on a monorail, at 120+ mph. Surface vehicles would be dramatically limited in terms of height, width, and length. Maybe people buses could go down there? In my imagination these tunnels are, like, 200' down. Like mole people.

Seattle has some underground light rail tunnels that are shared with buses

Used to be, not anymore

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fwiw electric cars date back to the late 1800s. There's no reason old ideas can't work well with new tech. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_car#Early_development...

If there's been innovation on the fundamental problem, sure. We haven't really improved vacuum pumps that much, nor can we really fix the whole "one high-caliber bullet could implode the entire tunnel" problem yet.

These aren't powered by explosives. The tech was not the problem.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#105
post #51
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to guess that he didn't expect it to work. He never invested significantly, and there must be a reason. The simplest reason seems to be that he expected it not to work, at least with current technology.

I always wondered just how bad an idea must have been. If Musk didn't go after it. Specially considering that he is the one who published it...

Elon Musk said from the outset that he was not gonna build it, he thought the idea was good and published a whitepaper on it which basically started the conversation.

He also talks about a supersonic electrical passenger jet from time to time, but he says he don't have the time to do that either.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#106

As I recall Musk stated publicly that the only reason he pushed Hyperloop was to derail the California High Speed Rail initiative. In that regard it was somewhat successful. [1] “He admitted to his biographer that the reason the Hyperloop was announced—even though he had no intention of pursuing it—was to try to disrupt the California high-speed rail project” -- https://gizmodo.com/silicon-valleys-transportation-fail…

To "disrupt" it in that context was meant in the startup vocabulary, it means to improve some existing thing. The high speed rail project in CA is a testament to the dysfunctionality of that state when it comes to building infrastructure.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#107
post #47

What I never understood about that fiasco is that after it was decided to just throw some Teslas in a tunnel, why weren't they fully self driving? Isn't a one way tunnel without traffic or real world conditions like weather a perfect place to use it?

I imagine they would be at some point. Of course you could even throw a magnetic strip on the ground and direct cars with no AI.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#108
post #12

There is a world where we dig tunnels under federal highways, and stick freight trucks down there. They'd run on a monorail, at 120+ mph. Surface vehicles would be dramatically limited in terms of height, width, and length. Maybe people buses could go down there? In my imagination these tunnels are, like, 200' down. Like mole people.

Or you know, build like a normal as train along side the highway.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#109
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the US rail network wasn't in such a state of disrepair and freight trains weren't miles long to cut labor costs, you wouldn't even need to dig tunnels for them. That also saves the cost of digging those tunnels and actually making them safe (i.e. having service tunnels, ventilation, fire escapes, fire suppression systems, etc etc). And of course with tunnels you'd want rail anyway because you don't want to be stu…

The US freight rail network is in excellent shape. It's the passenger network that's in shambles.

Yeah sure. That why their is constant derailment.

Re: Hyperloop One to shut down

#110
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to guess that he didn't expect it to work. He never invested significantly, and there must be a reason. The simplest reason seems to be that he expected it not to work, at least with current technology.

The tech is fine, right? It's the long game you have to play with regulators and state and local officials to get right of way to build the tracks or tubes in the first place. Under current regulations, it would take a decade of intense focus and politickin' to probably achieve a minimal viable example.

The tech is actually not fine. The initial idea was that it would be a near vacume and that the sled would use air cushion to levitate. And that simply doesn't actually work.

That is why all of the companies doing it switched to maglev. And we know the issues with maglev.

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