The operating costs of a video platform are huge, who pays for all of this?
The uploader through lightning invoices.
How is it not DOA? Youtube pays the uploaders for their content.
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waiting for media to appear on your timeline What do you mean by this?
Loading a picture from one small instance to another takes tens of seconds, practically dial up speeds.
I wish it was tens of seconds only. Most of the time, I get tired of waiting and open the browser version where, for some reason, it loads.
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That's the reason I personally avoid Nostr. I know it's unfair because Nostr itself is actually a cool protocol that has nothing to do with bitcoin, but the stench of that is hard to wash off. I wouldn't want to build something that becomes associated with bitcoin just because of the name of the protocol. It's like whenever there was a reddit/twitter/etc alternative some years ago following outrage, it'd get flooded…
Yeah. I love these new approaches to social networking and especially decentralized ones, but after joining Nostr and experiencing it for a while I got so tired of all the crypto talk. I'm pro crypto, I just don't want to only read about crypto
That's a huge indicator to me that Fedi is wayyy ahead any of the other "alt social media" projects. That normal, non-technical people use it to talk about normal real-life things in their day wayy more than they use it to just talk about how much they like Fedi / the thing / related thing. At least Bluesky as reached that bar too, but Nostr and none of the other crypto-y social media have.
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Which practically means unanimous agreement is needed among all relays in order to moderate anything. I also don't see what incentive / accountability relays face to remove content. So... I don't see that strategy being particularly effective. But hey! If more than a couple dozen people wind up actually using the thing, guess we'll find out!
> Which practically means unanimous agreement is needed among all relays in order to moderate anything. No, it means that the people will tend to congregate around the relays that work according to what they expect/want to see. You are thinking from the assumption that things are only acceptable if total compliance is enforced. Even on the highly-controlled and regulated Internet there is still abhorrent content out…
> The interesting question is: do you think that the majority of people don't see this side of the internet because of how effective the centralized control and policing is, or just because the majority of people are not interested in seeing this content in the first place?
Both! Most people don't want to see beheading videos and would be very upset if one came across their Youtube recommendations. Fortunately, YouTube's "CENSORSHIP" is pretty good at not showing such videos (even though they're completely legal content!)
However, there is a significant long tail pool of people who are totally into watching such abhorrent content (e.g., 8channers), and could easily cause a deeply offensive content to find itself in the unmoderated "Democratically trending" video feed, as it's demonstrated in the Flare example walkthrough.
Maybe that's your point? Platforms like these will necessarily be used pretty much exclusively by people who like or will tolerate seeing extremely offensive content because everyone else will be put off by the occasional display of horribleness.
Libertarian "DON'T CENSOR ME, BRO" havens like 8chan, kiwifarms, daily stormer, etc. already exist. They're not particularly popular, when compared to the likes of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. But they're certainly popular enough to draw millions of users. And every one of them would be delighted if they could post their inflammatory nonsense on Facebook or YouTube to reach a wider audience. And Facebook and YouTube have wider audiences because they moderate content.
In a previous life I worked building popular social media apps that included user-generated content. And I saw first-hand how horrific content moderation is. The shit people post to social media sites is as vile as it is vast. I'm certain most "anti-censorship" people's opinions would be changed if they'd watched an actual content moderator do their job for 30 minutes.
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#157decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…
ever heard of something called DNS?
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> Which practically means unanimous agreement is needed among all relays in order to moderate anything. No, it means that the people will tend to congregate around the relays that work according to what they expect/want to see. You are thinking from the assumption that things are only acceptable if total compliance is enforced. Even on the highly-controlled and regulated Internet there is still abhorrent content out…
> The interesting question is: do you think that the majority of people don't see this side of the internet because of how effective the centralized control and policing is, or just because the majority of people are not interested in seeing this content in the first place? Both! Most people don't want to see beheading videos and would be very upset if one came across their Youtube recommendations. Fortunately, YouTu…
Why compare against neo nazi and shock websites?
Why expect everything to end in "trending" feed?
Telegram has solved this problem a loooong time ago.
Those who want beheading and castration videos subscribe to russian and arab channels.
Those that doesn't goes elsewhere.
And if one of them shows up in the comments of a sane channel we report them and they are gone.
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That’s just the nature of Nostr at the moment. It’s very Bitcoin adjacent. There’s significant overlap between Nostr and Bitcoin developers. Also, Bitcoin (through Lightning) is the currency used on Nostr for anything and everything. I can totally see how that’s off putting for normal people though.
It's so off putting I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. I wouldn't even curiously browse a landing page of an otherwise interesting project beyond the point I notice that something is mildly "cryptocurrency-adjacent", or it becomes obvious that it has involvement from devs who also enjoy working on blockchains. Thanks for the heads up.
Can I ask why?
Beyond the "crypto grift," a blockchain-based social network might offer some benefits:
- permissionless - (no moderation)
- means for auto solvency - (we are not the product)
- interoperability - (multiple clients, forks, etc.)
- privacy
Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr
#160decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…
Bitcoin, a decentralized something, is the 10th largest global market cap asset - $855b. Gold is#1 at $13T. Mortgage backed securities are $11t, for reference.
That to me is working at scale, and all the “what ifs” you’re referencing have happened to Bitcoin, but it is still around since 2009.
Edit, as someone else commented - we are also all talking via the internet, at its core a decentralized technology of combined infrastructure, routing protocols, and DNS tracking. The presence or involvement of centralized entities doesn’t count against that fact.