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Re: Wikimedia Russia has been dissolved

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This is the better criticism of Wikipedia. But it's really not a criticism of Wikipedia directly - it's more of a indictment on how media creates Zeitgeists and reality conforms to them.

But it is a criticism of Wikipedia directly. There is no reason why they couldn't come up with a more thoughtful, complete validation method. Instead, they just default to a last-century model of trust.

What other "validation method" do you have in mind?

Re: Wikimedia Russia has been dissolved

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Wikipedia is has nothing to do with free speech. It's there to (in my words) document the world around us. To explain things factually, or as factually as we can. It's not about anyone's opinions or ideas.

Still, free speech is what allows such a project. And Wikipedia also explains philosophical opinions, political positions, NSFW concepts, etc., which is only possible to that extent due to free speech. So I would disagree both that Wikipedia has nothing to do with free speech, and that it’s not about anybody’s opinions or ideas.

There was a far more productive reading you could have taken.

Free speech allows Wikipedia to publish unpopular or controversial speech, but that's not the same as having an editorial policy that contributors are allowed to express themselves on the platform, which would obviously be inappropriate.

Wikipedia documents opinions and ideologies but that's not the same as supporting the expression of the opinions and ideologies of its contributors. (See above.)

Re: Wikimedia Russia has been dissolved

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While there are many legitimate questions about Wikipedia’s openness to new edits and editors, this is such a wild topic derail that I find it a little suspicious. Are you arguing that this isn’t a great loss for freedom of speech?

> this is such a wild topic derail

How is this a topic derail? What's the topic then exactly?

Re: Wikimedia Russia has been dissolved

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But it is a criticism of Wikipedia directly. There is no reason why they couldn't come up with a more thoughtful, complete validation method. Instead, they just default to a last-century model of trust.

What other "validation method" do you have in mind?

I don’t have anything in mind, because I don’t run a Wikipedia competitor. I haven’t spent enough time thinking about it. But certainty anything other than “just trust what the big media companies say” would be an improvement.

In general I find Wikipedia articles to be written from a very specific viewpoint that highlights certain facts and hides others. Whether this is from Wikipedia writers themselves or is merely a reflection of their sources, I’m not sure. But if the goal is to provide the truth, I don’t think they make a particularly good effort at incorporating alternative perspectives.

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But it is a criticism of Wikipedia directly. There is no reason why they couldn't come up with a more thoughtful, complete validation method. Instead, they just default to a last-century model of trust.

It's hard to imagine that Wikipedia with a centralized authority to handle "validation" would be remotely the same Wikipedia.

I already find it to be highly centralized and with a very obvious monoculture.

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Are you making sure to include citations to proven reliable sources to back up your contributions? If so, then you can dispute any reverts on the article's Talk page. My experience with Wikipedia is that they are extraordinarily open and fair, and honestly they give more benefit of the doubt to editors than most of them deserve.

A lot of citations just use Fox News, Vox, CNN, etc. as fact. Wikipedia isn't very serious about scientific/objective truth.

This and lots of highly opinionated literature.

Not that there is anything wrong with opinions, but they should at least be referenced as such when there is a clear debate.

Otherwise it just erodes trust - this actually seems to be an awfully common sentiment towards wikipedia, as it is evident even from neighboring comments.

Re: Wikimedia Russia has been dissolved

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I don't think it makes sense to equate English speaking Wikipedia (I'm assuming that's what you're referring to) with a different language Wikipedia. Different cultures, most likely fewer people sitting around spending every free moment starting drama on wikipedia

Wikipedia is a very popular "no brainer" source of information, which inherently politically becomes a focal point of conflict of opinions.

So, actually, lots of drama.

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