Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel • Hacker News Board

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by whatshisface » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 4:57 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #9

sickofparadox wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it was horribly offensive and morally repugnant, I would still say that the court should let private copies exist.

The court is hosting one in the link above.

Why are they bothering to ask anyone to destroy it?

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by ycombinatrix » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 4:58 PM UTC

this is really depressing to read

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 4:59 PM UTC

whatshisface wrote: post #11

ceejayoz wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The court is hosting one in the link above.

Why are they bothering to ask anyone to destroy it?

Because he egregiously misbehaved with his, and this is the resulting punishment.

You and I can keep whatever copies we may have.

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by AdamJacobMuller » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

https://archive.is/jgb5S

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by luma » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:00 PM UTC

ycombinatrix wrote: post #12

this is really depressing to read

Read the facts of the case, I am strongly anti-copyright but this dude is just an asshole and has earned every bit of this.

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by underseacables » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:01 PM UTC

Someone upload it to the internet before it’s gone forever!

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by Ekaros » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

Just have to last until 1st of January and then host it in New Zealand and other life+50 countries.

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by ycombinatrix » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:02 PM UTC

luma wrote: post #15

ycombinatrix wrote: post #12

this is really depressing to read

Read the facts of the case, I am strongly anti-copyright but this dude is just an asshole and has earned every bit of this.

that's fair. on the other hand, the copyright really should have expired by now.

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by junipertea » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

zanfr wrote: post #4

leak to torrents, good luck deleted every copy then

Would you download and host an awful book out of principle?

Re: Tolkien estate wins court order to destroy fan's 'Lord of the Rings' sequel

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Post by jabroni_salad » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

sickofparadox wrote: post #2

I think it is unconscionable that we can use the force of the state to coerce someone to delete ALL copies of a work they created. I'm fairly anti-copyright but I get that they probably shouldn't be able to sell the books (even though the author has been in the ground for decades), fine. Give them a fine, write up a ticket, community service or whatever, but deleting everything just seems so brutish.

This person tried to sue the estate for copyright infringement to the tune of $250M because he thinks think they lifted something out of his fanfiction for Rings of Power, as if he somehow had ownership of Tolkien's setting. This was just a countersuit because he put himself on their radar in the dumbest way possible.

play stupid games win stupid prizes. There are plenty of fanfictions that go to market safely by filing off the serial numbers, just do that.

I'm generally in favor of derivative works and I enjoy spending time on AO3. I'm not in favor of being an idiot about it, though. Maybe you should not bite the hand that feeds you: https://i.imgur.com/2wwbson.png