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Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

From what I understand of nostr, if there is CP or hate speech etc. the relays would be incentivised to remove it in the same way say a collection of PHPBB forums would be if someone uploaded it there. Not sure on the legalities though, in terms of if the relays are liable. Not sure if all relays would support video. So to be guaranteed to keep your video you would need ti self host. Which is technical and/or a month…

Relay liability is going to depend on knowledge. What’s going to happen in practice is that someone at, say, the FBI gets a lead that something prohibited is being accessed in some group and they’re going to look for evidence. If your IP serves them anything dodgy, they’re not going to roll the SWAT team (probably) but they’re going to see if they can find evidence that you are an active participant before they contact you or your hosting company.

What’s going to happen after that is going to depend on what they’ve found and how innocent/unaware you look, and your reaction. They don’t raid Dropbox’s hosting center because it’s unlikely that a large business is a secret criminal front operation and they have an established practice of sending warrants and getting information or takedowns but if you’re a single person or small business there’s more room for doubt and they might be more aggressive. If you do look like an innocent whose service is being abused by criminals, I’d expect the initial impact to be only blocking that material / user and turning over all of the information that you have about their activity. If that keeps happening, or you tell them that you don’t keep logs, etc. that might change to them thinking you’re actually trying to help their targets, and the next time it happens might be less charitable.

Anyone operating a relay should think about how that’d look sad what the damage could be: don’t run it on hardware you couldn’t afford to lose if it’s seized as evidence, your business partners and people you live with need to know & accept the risk, and you want to think carefully about the personal impacts of any investigation. For example, if you work at a school or church running a Tor exit node is probably a bad idea because even an investigation finding nothing could have significant damage to your reputation since there’s always that “what if he just hid it well?” question which can’t be un-raised.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #71

Heads up, I have "block newly registered domains" configured in my NextDNS site, so I can't resolve flare.pub. For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.

> For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.

Or you can just disable it, they don't need to delay launch just because some guy has his DNS configured that way

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just used something called “the internet” to read your message. As opposed to one of those corporate owned networks for computer-like devices from the eighties.

And with which ISP did you reach that "internet"?

wait, AOL isn't the Internet?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Nothing in the decentralized design prevents an host from blocking one video. By "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree", he simply meant that the net prevents that. Like tor, a relay cannot be held liable for content on the tor network.

You hope they cannot be held liable. That doesn’t mean that you can’t be raided, or have to defend yourself against charges of illicit content being found in a computer you use, or accusations that you’re knowingly supporting crimes. A lot of that is going to depend on the service and how much visibility you have into user activity - a caching storage node is going to be riskier than forwarding encrypted packets, for example.

Here’s an example of some privacy activists:

https://news.sophos.com/en-us/2016/04/07/couple-hosting-tor-...

Maybe you’re super ideologically committed to providing a privacy service and willing to take the risk, but you still want to soberly consider those risks and think about the impact if it’s harder to defend yourself than you thought. It’s not a casual decision.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #72
post #71

Heads up, I have "block newly registered domains" configured in my NextDNS site, so I can't resolve flare.pub. For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.

How long should the domain be up not to be considered new?

90 days.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #101
post #71

Heads up, I have "block newly registered domains" configured in my NextDNS site, so I can't resolve flare.pub. For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.

Have you tried disabling that option? It should fix the problem! :P

I know how to get access to the site, but blocking newly registered domains is a good security practice as it defeats a lot of scams.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #122
post #71

Heads up, I have "block newly registered domains" configured in my NextDNS site, so I can't resolve flare.pub. For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this.

> For the future, might be good to register the domain a little while before the launch to avoid this. Or you can just disable it, they don't need to delay launch just because some guy has his DNS configured that way

I'm just saying that if you want to reach a maximal audience it helps if your domain is older than 90 days as it isn't considered "new" then by some DNS providers.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and they scale poorly. See the part where people fill warehouses with GPUs causing global shortages and lopsided power demands.

The ethereum merge happened over a year ago and it's not the only PoS network now. Feel free to complain about BTC, but for blockchain in general it doesn't make sense.

PoS addresses only part of the inefficient architecture. You’re no longer needing hundreds of power plants to operate a niche financial service, but you still have the storage needed to store every transaction (which is also a huge privacy risk) and the incredibly low transaction rate. These systems are hugely expensive to operate relative to their almost non-existent real-world usage.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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post #78

Fascinating to me that religious weird conspiracy posts are almost immediately the largest portion of videos.

There are no algos. You are supposed to curate your feed. Global is there just for convenience. Mute that npub and you won’t see any of this again.

Sure, but that's a different thing than what I said.

It doesn't matter that there's no algorithm. It is just interesting to me that outlandish Christian conspiracies about the end of the world/angels/etc. are almost immediately being uploaded to a brand-new platform.

That has nothing to do with how content is delivered?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#130

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

> decentralized anything never works at scale I'm pretty impressed by this thing called 'the internet'.

The internet isn’t decentralized the same way: you have single authorities managing routes, DNS, etc. and - critically - unlike blockchains you aren’t trying to have a single global consensus across the entire system. If my ISP updates my IP, nobody else needs to see and process a transaction, there’s no quorum, etc. That trustless design is what makes blockchains so expensive to use.
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