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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by dev_hugepages »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Nothing in the decentralized design prevents an host from blocking one video. By "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree", he simply meant that the net prevents that. Like tor, a relay cannot be held liable for content on the tor network.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#32

Post by segfaltnh »

Humbly7628 wrote: post #26
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

>decentralized anything never works at scale Ever heard of blockchain ? And don't tell me its a very precise case, blockchains are used for a lot of things

Yes, and they scale poorly. See the part where people fill warehouses with GPUs causing global shortages and lopsided power demands.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#33

Post by vivzkestrel »

dev_hugepages wrote: post #31
vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Nothing in the decentralized design prevents an host from blocking one video. By "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree", he simply meant that the net prevents that. Like tor, a relay cannot be held liable for content on the tor network.

so you want an 8 yr old child who mistakenly might have opened the home page of this website to go and manually block the video so that he cant see the video after he saw it?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#34

Post by askonomm »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #33
dev_hugepages wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing in the decentralized design prevents an host from blocking one video. By "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree", he simply meant that the net prevents that. Like tor, a relay cannot be held liable for content on the tor network.

so you want an 8 yr old child who mistakenly might have opened the home page of this website to go and manually block the video so that he cant see the video after he saw it?

Host, not user. The host blocks it. Host has moderators the same way as Twitter does.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#35

Post by skinkestek »

the_gastropod wrote: post #22
skinkestek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago. This can be said for so many situations: Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Etc. You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but tho…

> Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.

No, but the solution is hopefully much closer to traditional western style punishment of switchboard operators who listen in or interfere and far far away from Stasi style mandatory snitching?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by segfaltnh »

the_gastropod wrote: post #22
skinkestek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago. This can be said for so many situations: Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Etc. You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but tho…

> Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either. But the solution is not to ban cars. Mist people does not want kids to be bullied at school. But the solution is not to ban schools. Right! And the solution also isn’t “fuck it. Too complicated to do perfectly. No discipline in schools / no traffic laws”.

Exactly right. I don't understand why people miss this detail. Maybe Google does have too much power over how content is served, but this isn't a fix, at all.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#37

Post by viraptor »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #25

decentralized anything never works at scale, this is what all the techie founders never grasp. what happens if someone uploads a child porn video or cartel beheading video on your website? because of your algorithm ll stack things by watch time it ll get to the front page in no time. What measures/controls do you have because your site explicitly says "we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we di…

Just because it's not bannable doesn't mean you can't stop advertising it on the front page. Same way mastodon instances are moderated even though you can't stop people from creating instances with their own content. (It's not ideal, but neither is centralised moderation)

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#38

Post by idkwhoiam »

steelbrain wrote: post #28
Humbly7628 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>decentralized anything never works at scale Ever heard of blockchain ? And don't tell me its a very precise case, blockchains are used for a lot of things

> blockchains are used for a lot of things Yeah? Like what?

Some examples: Cryptokitties, payments on dark net, crypto scam ICOs

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#39

Post by rijoja »

pavlov wrote: post #11
eviks wrote: post #7

Congrats on launch! Login button: 3 times I see the word "Nsec" without any explanation, that would lose a lot of youtubers from transitioning But a bigger issue is that googling about nsec tells me it's a very bad practice: "Some argue that the user should never enter their nsec into an input field at the risk of being compromised by the service. Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private…

> “Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private key and must take greater precaution than they would with a username/password combination.” This is a complete dealbreaker for any end-user product. I don’t understand why crypto/blockchain fans still think it can work.

ah physical key has the same properties and end-users seems to have been accepting that just fine for hundreds of years

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

#40

Post by viraptor »

segfaltnh wrote: post #32
Humbly7628 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>decentralized anything never works at scale Ever heard of blockchain ? And don't tell me its a very precise case, blockchains are used for a lot of things

Yes, and they scale poorly. See the part where people fill warehouses with GPUs causing global shortages and lopsided power demands.

The ethereum merge happened over a year ago and it's not the only PoS network now. Feel free to complain about BTC, but for blockchain in general it doesn't make sense.
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