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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by pavlov »

eviks wrote: post #7

Congrats on launch! Login button: 3 times I see the word "Nsec" without any explanation, that would lose a lot of youtubers from transitioning But a bigger issue is that googling about nsec tells me it's a very bad practice: "Some argue that the user should never enter their nsec into an input field at the risk of being compromised by the service. Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private…

> “Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private key and must take greater precaution than they would with a username/password combination.”

This is a complete dealbreaker for any end-user product. I don’t understand why crypto/blockchain fans still think it can work.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by jasode »

bagels wrote: post #5

How is the infrastructure and bandwidth paid for?

>How is the infrastructure and bandwidth paid for?

For bandwidth intensive usage such as video, it will probably be "paid relays" instead of free ones. Click on url in the "Popular paid relays" paragraph to see examples:

https://nostr.how/en/relays

Nostr is popular with the cryptocurrency community so the payment mechanics seem to favor Bitcoin and/or Bitcoin Lightning.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by skinkestek »

prmoustache wrote: post #9

So how will you cope with DMCA takedown requests and what will you do when all major medias companies will sue your ass? You may try to pretend it is not your content and explain how the protocol works and all that but as long as you will host a frontend and own the domain name you will be considered the one to sue.

How does Bitcoin cope with the fact that the DVD key (and probably a few other interesting things) are stored on the blockchain?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by mab122 »

I love that nostr identity is not tied to an instance (unlike activitypub/mastondon/fediverse)! However ignoring some (IMO) fundamental problems (because they are not problems until you hit scale) like hosting, somewhat moderation and letting that be solved "layer above" is a mistake (IMO) it will probably create non standardized APIs for paying for hosting or sth.

As for community it is heavily based on bitcoin/lightning enthusiasts and a lot of content revolving just around that - probably won't attract people outside the circle/general public (which may not be the goal or preferable outcome!)

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by Avshalom »

itsoktocry wrote: post #6
the_gastropod wrote: post #3

> BUT unlike YouTube, we can't strike, shadow-ban, or demonetize you just because we disagree Ah, right. Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. /s

> Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't , which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?

You can also control what people can't see on nostr, by simply rejecting/deleting any messages from relays or ids you don't like. This isn't a big problem for something like plain text because it's cheap to run a relay that only stores text but if you're letting people upload/download video... That gets expensive fast.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by Retr0id »

pavlov wrote: post #11
eviks wrote: post #7

Congrats on launch! Login button: 3 times I see the word "Nsec" without any explanation, that would lose a lot of youtubers from transitioning But a bigger issue is that googling about nsec tells me it's a very bad practice: "Some argue that the user should never enter their nsec into an input field at the risk of being compromised by the service. Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private…

> “Given the nature of nostr, users cannot recover from a leaked private key and must take greater precaution than they would with a username/password combination.” This is a complete dealbreaker for any end-user product. I don’t understand why crypto/blockchain fans still think it can work.

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted here. In any other context, "paste in the private key that your identity is irrevocably bound to" would get you laughed out of the room. It seems to be the default nostr UX nonetheless, and that's worthy of note.

I am aware of efforts to improve on this though, for example https://snort.social/e/note1crl44xk24yc2ym5xlyyfjdeumxueyguz... - essentially the equivalent of a custodial wallet, if I'm understanding correctly.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by skinkestek »

the_gastropod wrote: post #8
itsoktocry wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't , which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?

Yes. Most reasonable people don’t want anyone sharing CSAM, for example.

Agree that there are things we don't want to exist, but by your logic internet should have been forbidden a long time ago.

This can be said for so many situations:

Most people does not want cars to crash into Christmas fairs either.

But the solution is not to ban cars.

Most people does not want kids to be bullied at school.

But the solution is not to ban schools.

Etc.

You can say we have laws about cars. Yes, but those laws aren't enforced by Ford or Volkswagen. Edit: or by Shell or Exxon for that matter.

There will be laws about content on internet even if Google can't willy nilly remove the channel of Warthog Defense because it hurt some russians feelings.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by Retr0id »

mab122 wrote: post #14

I love that nostr identity is not tied to an instance (unlike activitypub/mastondon/fediverse)! However ignoring some (IMO) fundamental problems (because they are not problems until you hit scale) like hosting, somewhat moderation and letting that be solved "layer above" is a mistake (IMO) it will probably create non standardized APIs for paying for hosting or sth. As for community it is heavily based on bitcoin/ligh…

I think Bluesky/atproto has a reasonable compromise in this department. At any single point in time your identity is bound to a specific instance, but that binding is mutable.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by f1refly »

the_gastropod wrote: post #8
itsoktocry wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Too much content moderation is the biggest problem with YouTube. But controlling what you see is easy! Just don't watch it. As opposed to controlling what you can't , which you are at the mercy of YouTube to provide. Or is it that you want to control what other people see?

Yes. Most reasonable people don’t want anyone sharing CSAM, for example.

Good thing we tend to put people who share CSAM in jail, preventing them from doing so in the future, solving this problem for the rest of us.
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