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Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by ametrau » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 11:44 PM UTC

_the_inflator wrote: post #327

pavon wrote: post #124

Recently I was thinking about how I am completely out of touch with the culture of younger generations, and was about to laugh it off cause that's how it is with every generation, but then I realized that I don't even know how I would know. In the past if you wanted to know what kids were listening to, you change the radio station to that new loud one you normally skip, or watch that new TV show that people are going…

>> I have a few younger acquaintances/friends IRL, but they would be the first ones to admit that they don't feel like they fit in with their peers, and even a apart from that its generally best not to project too much based on interactions in my own bubble. Sorry to say, but this is the akin to the “We are all different” meme. The quintessence of the internet and social apps is to organize individual and hence form…

Are you very young?

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by woooooo » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 11:53 PM UTC

Eisenstein wrote: post #499

woooooo wrote: post #497

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I was under the impression that most pre-industrial societies had slavery. Or at least most societies that were successful. The Bible has passages on how to be a moral slave owner. As far as conflating industrialization with capitalism, I'm sorry, I'm actually very far left politically but this is just a fact. It's underappreciated in the west that 5 year plans worked well, but they were following a template 200 year…

You can be under any impression you want but that doesn't make you not completely wrong. The Bible is not a history book, and if it was, it wouldn't be the only one. And calling 'industrialization' 'capitalism' and 'profit maximizing business' all the same thing and then shrugging it off after getting called out, you are just showing that you ignorant of what any of it means. And your last two sentences are non-sensi…

I'm not calling those things the same at all. I actually draw distinctions between them. But there's a historical record of how they happened together after not happening separately for thousands of years.

There's a principle of charity when reading that you may want to consider.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by jigpaw » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 1:13 AM UTC

api wrote: post #363

Goronmon wrote: post #301

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Maybe what they are feeling is a deep unconscious unease at the realisation that the cancellation culture the leftists have bought to life is bad karma. What goes around comes around. This is definitely one of the more interesting fantasies the right enjoys portraying, for sure. Part of standard playbook at this point it's becoming hard to treat these type of comments as organic.

The fantasy is that “cancel culture” is a thing unique to the left, or that it’s somehow new. Bud Light got cancelled for giving one can of beer to one trans influencer for a social media spot. I’m old enough to remember the Dixie Chicks getting cancelled for opposing Bush and the Iraq War.

They were rightly cancelled, but for the wrong reason. Really, the cancellation should have been for lauding his incredibly misogynistic and offensive portrayal of women.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by aspenmayer » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 1:59 AM UTC

DougEiffel wrote: post #494

aspenmayer wrote: post #483

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> Don't worry guys, I teach 8th grade. You're not missing much. > A student recently introduced me to BLP Kosher. That was... an experience. A lot to unpack here, but it sounds to me like you don’t like or appreciate rap music, which says more about your own individual music taste than the quality of BLP Kosher’s music or this particular track. I think the production is on point and the track low-key slaps, but that’…

I love rap and hip hop in general. I find Kosher to be odd. That's all.

I wasn’t trying to be disparaging to you, and I guess I was responding to what I perceived as a slight against him on your part. If I made unreasonable assumptions based on word choice/context clues, I apologize.

What about him strikes you as odd compared to rap artists you’re a fan of, or odd in what respect? I’d be inclined to agree, as I don't typically assume Jews are big in rap, but there’s definitely a huge precedent in Beastie Boys.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by listenallyall » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 2:07 AM UTC

jkubicek wrote: post #444

listenallyall wrote: post #390

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But every NYTimes tweet is, essentially, a free advertisement. It doesn't post a simple comment or opinion (its writers do, sometimes), but every post from the official New York Times account is a brief summary of, and link to, a story on its own platform (most of which are inaccessible to non-paying subscribers). Yes - this is also true of almost every other media platform that tweets - but that makes this an argume…

Advertising content is speech

it's not free

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by Eisenstein » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 2:11 AM UTC

woooooo wrote: post #502

Eisenstein wrote: post #499

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You can be under any impression you want but that doesn't make you not completely wrong. The Bible is not a history book, and if it was, it wouldn't be the only one. And calling 'industrialization' 'capitalism' and 'profit maximizing business' all the same thing and then shrugging it off after getting called out, you are just showing that you ignorant of what any of it means. And your last two sentences are non-sensi…

I'm not calling those things the same at all. I actually draw distinctions between them. But there's a historical record of how they happened together after not happening separately for thousands of years. There's a principle of charity when reading that you may want to consider.

Sorry but you don't get charity when you are asserting a point which is completely unfounded. Please find something which will back up your point besides 'they all happened at once' because that isn't even true. There is no correlation with 'capitalism' 'industry' and 'profit' with 'demise of slavery'. I beg you to look up what was happening in the Congo by Belgium when the automobile was being popularized.

There happens to be a correlation with a bunch of nice things because we happen to live in the modern era, but you can't attribute everything to capitalism because, as we noted it was not the only system in place which did these things.

I would like you to find some scholarly research which can bolster your theory.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by Tainnor » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 2:20 AM UTC

WalterBright wrote: post #467

Tainnor wrote: post #410

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I can guarantee you that you're neither the only person, on HN or elsewhere, that "understands how free markets work" (if anyone can every truly fully understand a complex emergent system), nor are most people incapable of realising that hard work only pays off when you create value - it's just that for many people, hard work is the safest, and sometimes the only, way to get there.

So why am I the only one on HN pointing these things out, and legions of HNers telling me I'm wrong? > t's just that for many people, hard work is the safest, and sometimes the only, way to get there A lot of people are disappointed because hard work got them nowhere. It's because they weren't working on things that other people valued. For example, the hardest job I ever had was working for the city maintaining the…

I'll give you some unsolicited advice: You come off as rather arrogant and I would suggest reflecting on it.

The idea that "legions of HNers" are telling you you're wrong sounds like confirmation bias. I basically see the same old discussion about free markets vs. market regulation every day on HN and it's not as if there was ever a clear-cut consensus. Maybe somewhat expectedly, radical positions such as "markets should be 100% unregulated" or, conversely, ones espousing something close to communism are comparatively rarer than ones in the middle (most people don't tend to have radical views), but that doesn't mean you can't see them often enough here (ok, maybe I haven't seen communist takes here that often, but definitely libertarian ones).

More importantly, even if everybody was disagreeing with you, it could be that they're right and you're wrong. Or that nobody is right or wrong because it's a matter of opinion. I haven't seen you take that option seriously, instead it's just other people who "don't understand" free markets

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by kredd » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 2:30 AM UTC

pzmarzly wrote: post #475

ryandrake wrote: post #325

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20 years ago, we’d talk each Monday about this week’s Simpson or X-Files, and we knew that 95-100% of the people in our group watched it on Sunday. We don’t have that today. I think Sportsball news is the last vestige of “shared culture” you can talk about over beer after work and be reasonably confident 30% or so of your mates can follow along. It’s so weird. 10 people who work together, around the same age, same so…

I knew a lot of people who got into Ancient Aliens craze (paradocumental series on History Channel). Every week they would meet up and talk about whatever conspiracy they aired that week. I was so glad to be missing out. Sure, it's just an anecdote, no perhaps I was unlucky, but I want to show that it's not always a positive thing to have this "shared culture" that you speak of.

Eh, counter-argument to that is — it is sometimes really fun to discuss absolutely outrageous and stupid conspiracy theories. It’s a fun thing to laugh at, I would say even that gives a common ground to a group.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by imetatroll » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 4:02 AM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #254

pavon wrote: post #124

Recently I was thinking about how I am completely out of touch with the culture of younger generations, and was about to laugh it off cause that's how it is with every generation, but then I realized that I don't even know how I would know. In the past if you wanted to know what kids were listening to, you change the radio station to that new loud one you normally skip, or watch that new TV show that people are going…

In my early-40's, I've found that the massive gap between youth culture and adult culture has, thankfully, shrunk. While it's still the case that no 16-year-olds are going to want to hang out with us, their language and activities and perspectives don't feel as foreign as Boomers purported to feel about, well, everything. Because unlike previous generations, who fetishized leaving behind childish things and creating…

I too enjoy video games but I also think they are a massive waste of time. If I could rewire my brain to have the endurance required to constantly try to learn new things, that would be my preferred mode of existence. Unfortunately, I often seem to need to "turn off" at the end of the day, watching something lame on netflix, switching on a game, reading a forgettable piece of fiction. It is actually pretty frustrating but I have done it my entire life so I don't see this ever changing.

"Fun". Well if you have a family you need to support, I think it becomes a lot more obvious why "fun" is something that should often be dropped. There are other things that need to be done and they are definitely not "fun". You will, however, be rewarded in other ways that entertainment simply cannot.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD » Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 4:08 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #313

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #302

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It’s anecdotal, but I had a friendship dissolve over one friend kind of “canceling” another for a prolonged period. It was very much by the modern playbook, though it looked slightly different. Something offended some sensitivities, though it was a benign as an unexpected break up. My previous friend made a great effort to convince others of how immoral and cruel our other friend was, and some people kind of bought i…

These problems seem to be limited to people who are chronically online. People who live on Facebook and Twitter. I know this is a bold claim but I’m immune to cancellation since I simply don’t have accounts on social media, and don’t use it. I live in meatspace and all of my friends and acquaintances are in meatspace, so good luck taking me down. There could be someone on Twitter right now trash talking me and tellin…

Quitting could be individually rational for you, but collectively it leaves us with a public square dominated by bullies.