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Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by chankstein38 »

woooooo wrote: post #133
chankstein38 wrote: post #105

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Don't you love when people do that? lol "Trump and Musk aren't like the elites!" like oh I didn't realize your normal, everyday, average Joe could just leverage their assets and spend $44bn to buy a platform just to ~destroy it~ sorry, make it better by making sure no one posts there.

I think when people say this, they're using "elite" to signal a mentality rather a wealth level. Consider a wealthy, business-owning tradesman and a broke ivy league post-doc. Who sounds more "elite" in their mannerisms? "Professional/managerial class conformist" might be more precise but it's pretty clunky.

And you don't think that the guy with the golden toilet who owns several estates and the guy who bought a social media platform because he was mad they weren't allowing the golden toilet guy on the platform are textbook elites, even by your definition?

They really do have people brainwashed to think they're on their side...

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by WalterBright »

Eisenstein wrote: post #490
WalterBright wrote: post #468

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Indeed, a lot of people in America believe that there is no path to success. It's a very popular notion on HN. Another thing I'm in a small minority of is pointing out that adults of sound mind and body in America are capable of success.

> adults of sound mind and body in America are capable of success. You are in a minority because of those caveats. 'Sound mind and body' and 'success' are vague enough to lend themselves to many interpretations and act as an escape hatch you can jump out of when someone points out any one of numerous exceptions to that statement.

You and I both know what these conventionally mean, and the overwhelming bulk of American adults are of sound mind and body, and you know that, too.

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Post by randomdata »

mcphage wrote: post #488
randomdata wrote: post #484

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That's right, the "toys" are explained as being status. The comment explains that the community moved to reducing these people to being regular Joes like everyone else, and that is why they ran away crying, so to speak. I'll leave you to ponder the veracity of that claim, if you care. It is irrelevant here. > I dunno, you tell me. I am afraid I don't know enough about you to even begin to understand your behaviour. I…

Just keep movin' them goalposts.

Oh, yes, I understand now how reading the comments might impede or otherwise distract from you reaching some kind of goal. Reads like bad faith participation, but thanks for the explanation anyway.

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Post by DougEiffel »

aspenmayer wrote: post #483
DougEiffel wrote: post #194

Don't worry guys, I teach 8th grade. You're not missing much. A student recently introduced me to BLP Kosher. That was... an experience. https://youtu.be/xUqDb-p-Ksw?si=kOLnSXlXgfc6wad_

> Don't worry guys, I teach 8th grade. You're not missing much. > A student recently introduced me to BLP Kosher. That was... an experience. A lot to unpack here, but it sounds to me like you don’t like or appreciate rap music, which says more about your own individual music taste than the quality of BLP Kosher’s music or this particular track. I think the production is on point and the track low-key slaps, but that’…

I love rap and hip hop in general.

I find Kosher to be odd. That's all.

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Post by ruszki »

Robotbeat wrote: post #479
ruszki wrote: post #419

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Liberalism wasn’t a question of left or right 10+ years ago.

I don’t know what you mean. “Liberal” was in scare-quotes because that’s just the word that rightwing talk radio used to describe anyone on the left (or even center), and they said the word with disgust. Yes, I know libertarians call themselves “classical liberals” and the left uses “neoliberal” as a similar epithet for anyone more centrist than themselves, but that was the connotation of the word.

I meant that this happened in the past 10 years. “Liberal” wasn’t associated almost solely to “left”. It was generally accepted. This “classical liberal” euphemism, in its current meaning, is also kinda new, and almost everybody who uses this nowadays is not associated to liberalism at all.

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Post by silexia »

segasaturn wrote: post #4

Maybe that's a good thing? I remember a few years ago when journalists were outsourcing their reporting to Twitter and we had headlines like "The Internet is Freaking Out About X" when it was really a dozen nobodies on Twitter. The death of Twitter and the re-fragmentation of the internet sounds like a breath of fresh air compared to the purple haze of the last decade's centralized web.

I argue that Twitter is far superior now to it's previous incarnation. It's no longer controlled by a certain political viewpoint and now encourages all free speech. I find it extremely useful, much more so than any other source now.

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Post by woooooo »

Eisenstein wrote: post #487
woooooo wrote: post #481

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I think you may be fighting some ideological proxy war that I definitely don't care about. If you don't industrialize, slavery never ends. It was everywhere in human societies until industrialization.

There is no ideological war, it is just an unfounded statement that has no direct line of reasoning. What does slavery have to do with industrialization? There weren't slaves in many pre-industrial societies. And the fact that you switched 'industrialization' for 'profit maximizing businesses' as if no one would notice (then acknowledging that communists did figure out how to do it) makes me wonder if you even though…

I was under the impression that most pre-industrial societies had slavery. Or at least most societies that were successful.

The Bible has passages on how to be a moral slave owner.

As far as conflating industrialization with capitalism, I'm sorry, I'm actually very far left politically but this is just a fact. It's underappreciated in the west that 5 year plans worked well, but they were following a template 200 years, 2 full centuries, later. 100 years after successful British capitalists banned slavery.

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Post by akoboldfrying »

mistermann wrote: post #431
akoboldfrying wrote: post #369

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>we could collectively ask ourselves what we want and do that That is what democratic countries already do every 3-5 years -- and TTBOMK the system that gets chosen has so far had capitalism as an important component every single time, despite the option to vote for parties that eschew it partly or completely.

>>we could collectively ask ourselves what we want and do that >That is what democratic countries already do every 3-5 years Not sure what country you live in but in Canada they just give you a list of 4 or 5 names of people and you choose one, there's no asking of people what they'd like to do in the slightest. In fact, it's even worse: the folks campaign with certain sales pitches, but rarely follow up on their pro…

Is there a law in Canada that prohibits people from forming political parties opposed to capitalism, or other prohibitive hurdles (e.g., a large registration fee) that prevent most people from doing so in practice?

If the answer is no, then the fact that no one currently on the ballot represents such a party is just evidence that Canadians, today, have almost no interest in these political approaches.

>the folks campaign with certain sales pitches, but rarely follow up on their promises.

I agree this is a serious problem with existing democratic systems, but I don't know what to do about it. In theory people punish politicians who fail to deliver by voting them out, but in practice, a lot happens between elections, and people's attention wanders.

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Post by Eisenstein »

woooooo wrote: post #497
Eisenstein wrote: post #487

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There is no ideological war, it is just an unfounded statement that has no direct line of reasoning. What does slavery have to do with industrialization? There weren't slaves in many pre-industrial societies. And the fact that you switched 'industrialization' for 'profit maximizing businesses' as if no one would notice (then acknowledging that communists did figure out how to do it) makes me wonder if you even though…

I was under the impression that most pre-industrial societies had slavery. Or at least most societies that were successful. The Bible has passages on how to be a moral slave owner. As far as conflating industrialization with capitalism, I'm sorry, I'm actually very far left politically but this is just a fact. It's underappreciated in the west that 5 year plans worked well, but they were following a template 200 year…

You can be under any impression you want but that doesn't make you not completely wrong. The Bible is not a history book, and if it was, it wouldn't be the only one.

And calling 'industrialization' 'capitalism' and 'profit maximizing business' all the same thing and then shrugging it off after getting called out, you are just showing that you ignorant of what any of it means. And your last two sentences are non-sensical -- I literally cannot figure out what 5 year plans have to do with slavery in the west.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by Eisenstein »

WalterBright wrote: post #492
Eisenstein wrote: post #490

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> adults of sound mind and body in America are capable of success. You are in a minority because of those caveats. 'Sound mind and body' and 'success' are vague enough to lend themselves to many interpretations and act as an escape hatch you can jump out of when someone points out any one of numerous exceptions to that statement.

You and I both know what these conventionally mean, and the overwhelming bulk of American adults are of sound mind and body, and you know that, too.

I don't know what it means; that's the whole point. I want a specific definition. I'll start with a question: Is a pregnant woman of 'able body'? Is a person who speaks english as a second language 'of sound mind'? Is a person who grew up in a place with very poor schools and who had to drop in high school to take care of their aged mother 'of sound mind and body'? Expound on the reasons please.
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