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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by cstejerean »

paul7986 wrote: post #207
dietsche wrote: post #193

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we took a road trip last summer about 4000 miles in our model Y Long range. You end up supercharging approximately every three hours for about 15 minutes. it actually worked out very well because our first stop of the day was almost always lunch. we picked hotels that had chargers on site so we started each day with enough charge to make the next supercharger.

Were you traveling in remote areas something like between Reno and Vegas or other similar long remote stretches?

There's 3 Tesla superchargers between Vegas to Reno, in Beatty, Tonopah and Hawthorne, which is roughly 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 of the way through. So definitely doable but definitely less convenient than an ICE car that can make that drive in one shot without refueling.

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Post by hnburnsy »

apexalpha wrote: post #135

I understand the ridicule that the EU gets sometimes, and especially so when trying to regulate stuff like AI where it seems the EU wants to regulate more than to create start ups etc... But this is one thing the EU just nailed the hammer into the wood immediatly, and rightly so. I can't even remember the time it was. Maybe 2013? 2014? They just set a standard and everyone, even Tesla, adopted it. Every single EV can…

Serious question is every EU charger outlet billed in a common way, like with cash, an app, debit/credit card, in car screen, with a payment screen, or preconfigured to bill seamlessly?

Seems like the billing issues at non Tesla chargers in the US were a large part of the issues..

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Post by vel0city »

sebazzz wrote: post #299
Symbiote wrote: post #220

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CCS1 used in North America is only single phase. CCS2 used in Europe (and elsewhere) supports three phase.

The electricity grid has three phases in the US right? Are devices seldom connected to three phases?

Three phase power is out there but you never see it in residential and rarely in commercial. It's pretty much just an industrial kind of thing.

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Post by dylan604 »

NewJazz wrote: post #297
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #268

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Your car is rear-wheel-drive and the extra weight you are carrying around in the fuel tank helps your acceleration in the snow?

Driving with a near empty tank is more likely to cause corrosion.

this isn't technically correct. the low levels are not causing the corrosion. it's the contaminants that float in the fuel is the issue. when the tank has plenty of fuel, those floaters are not near the fuel pump. as the levels lower, the contaminants become more concentrated and are more likely to interact with the pump. at least, that's how it was described to me. by described, of course i mean harped on at every opportunity the parental unit could berate about lack of proper care for the car blah blah blah

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Post by andrelaszlo »

afavour wrote: post #286
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #278

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Not only that, how do you even propose to do it? If you just send the payment info via the charging plug, now you have to worry about the payment info being stored in the car and potentially stolen if the car has any security vulnerabilities, including in the charging port. If you use some kind of tokenization or similar then you're inserting third party payment processors into the system and they'll be wanting a cut…

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Can't read. Does it say USB-C? ;)

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Post by FireBeyond »

chrisjc wrote: post #171
yardie wrote: post #86

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I feel the bigger goal is the viability of the network effect (clustering) of electric cars. When Tesla was the only electric car company most buyers thought it was neat but didn't really consider it. A lot of buyers want their next vehicle to be EV but have range anxiety. While the Model 3/Y was top seller amongst EV buyers it's overall marketshare is still miniscule. More competition drives more churn which creates…

> While the Model 3/Y was top seller amongst EV buyers it's overall marketshare is still miniscule. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your statement, but the Model Y has become the best selling car in the world. That includes ICE vehicles, not just EVs. If you exclude trucks, I think it has also recently become the best selling car in the US, overtaking the Rav4.

> but the Model Y has become the best selling car in the world.

That doesn't directly correlate to marketshare. The MY is going to need many many quarters of being the best selling car to have marketshare equal to many other ICE models.

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Post by JAlexoid »

gambiting wrote: post #305
dzhiurgis wrote: post #249

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Now go abroad where charging app is not available in your country or requires local phone number to register, uses local language, or even wants local address or local payment method. Just give me website god damn it.

My story of charging in Germany one time a year ago: The charger requires an app, ok fine. Downloaded the app, had to setup the whole account with my address(UK address was allowed as my address), verify my email, verify my phone number(UK one was accepted), fine, done. Went to add my payment card - nope, the billing address has a pre-filled country field set to Germany, can't change it. It says ring this number in c…

German "Sunday is rest day" at it's best.

If fuel stations are essential(as in allowed to be open on Sundays), then with the EVs becoming the norm so should be the support for these stations.

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Post by ben0x539 »

stefan_ wrote: post #306
zackmorris wrote: post #200

This makes me sad in a way that's a little hard to articulate. But I'll try! I plug my $9000 2013 Nissan Leaf into an ordinary 120V extension cord each night so I can commute to a neighboring city for work, and the electricity costs me $20/mo. I also have a 1986 Toyota pickup like on Back to the Future that I had to gas up every other week, using 30 gallons of gas per month and costing over $100. So the operating cos…

The reality is that particularly in winter and outside, most recent EV cars will barely gain any charge from a 120V standard power outlet - keeping the battery conditioned eats up all of that power.

When you say winter and outside, what temperature ranges do you mean?

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Post by spaceywilly »

jakewins wrote: post #237
why_at wrote: post #224

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Can you explain why you feel plug-and-charge is so important? I have used chargers with and without it and while it is slightly more convenient to just plug in and go, it doesn't feel like such a huge improvement that I absolutely need it. I agree that having a different app for every brand of charging station would be annoying, but what about just accepting a credit card the way we do with gas stations now?

Have you done any road tripping in an EV? my experience of the app-based charging landscape has been complete horror; apps don’t work, chargers don’t start, payments don’t through.. Just last month was a new app at McDonalds in Sweden, that one asks me to, in the freezing cold, scan a dirty QR code sticker, which takes me to a website I’ve never heard of that wants me to manually enter credit card info, like a phishi…

If I may ask what seems like an obvious question… why can’t they just use credit card terminals like gas stations have been using for many decades?

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Post by dylan604 »

_ea1k wrote: post #296
dylan604 wrote: post #254

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QR sticker manipulation is too easy of a vector for me to take anything seriously when it comes to "just scan the code, enter card data, and carry on" is just too easy to fake. it's even easier than credit card skimmers. I like QR codes and their convenience for non-critical things like marketing. For things that are direct payment links it is just too unsecure for my comfort

That's a fair point. TBH, a combination of GPS (or just smart defaulting) and entering a short code would work pretty easily as well. They could also put the QR on a small screen to make it harder to fake. A little epaper display wouldn't add much to the cost.

also, who plugs in daily? do you fuel your ICE car daily? other than professional drivers, i'm doubting this is the normal routine for normal drivers. the irrational idea that EVs need to be plugged in at any and every opportunity is something that should be rationalized away.

i don't own an EV, so maybe my preconceived ideas of only charging when necessary may be what needs updating??? however, regular battery maintenance routines suggests daily charging might not be the best for the battery.

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