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Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by ghaff »

Skunkleton wrote: post #104
bluGill wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. People like their car to look new/different, and volumes on cars are high enough that the advantages of a custom platform is worth the cost of designing it.

> People like their car to look new/different That's true in my experience. Though it is interesting that cars look more and more similar over time rather than different.

There are probably two main answers to that.

- People generally like their vehicles to look different but not too different. Design of everything is a fashion industry.

- Fuel efficiency, practicality, and safety requirements all lead to a certain level of convergence.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by rubyn00bie »

iso8859-1 wrote: post #35
SEJeff wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* in north america, which also includes Canada.

Will Greenland use NACS? Probably not.

Huh? It feels like you’re just being overly pedantic for no reason. From Wikipedia and numerous other sources:

> Though a part of the continent of North America, Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with Europe.

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by danans »

InTheArena wrote: post #57

I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.

> This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger.

Tesla's supercharger network is a loss leader whose purpose is to sell their cars [1], whose margins are also under pressure.

There's no significant barrier to entry for EV supercharging other than perhaps having a profitable business to pair it with. The NACS connector and the exclusivity of its charging stations was a moat, one that Tesla traded for tax credits.

It's mostly a real estate game. Shell is already adding EV chargers at key stations. Others will follow.

1. https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/ev-charging/major-autom....

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by stetrain »

thiago_fm wrote: post #49
stetrain wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real mistake was the standards group that looked at Tesla's connector in the US and CCS Combo 2 in Europe and decided the best connector for North America was CCS Combo 1 with an external latching mechanism to be backwards compatible with the handful of J-1772 low power chargers that existed at the time. In order to avoid separate ports for AC and DC charging, or a simple adapter that only needed to handle low po…

I believe your story is probably missing some lobbyists, but true!

Probably. The only point at which the US really tried to standardize was with the NEVI charger funding from the 2021 infrastructure bill.

At the time most automakers in the US market supported CCS, so the NEVI rules were written by the NHWA to require CCS Combo 1 connectors, but also allow secondary connectors if they were non-proprietary.

That seemed to push Tesla to actually publish their connector as a standard and try to get other automakers to adopt it, probably so that their own chargers could be eligible for the NEVI funding.

Once that started rolling, and given the choice between sticking with CCS1 or adopting NACS and gaining access to Tesla's charger network, all of the significant North American EV manufacturers have now committed to switch over. The NHWA has said it will publish a Request for Information to determine how to incorporate NACS into the NEVI rules going forward.

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Post by CapitalistCartr »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #64
InTheArena wrote: post #57

I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.

But it also takes away Tesla's biggest advantage, no? The charging network was a big reason to buy a tesla and now that's gone. So perhaps they will actually end up losing more revenue than gaining.

People buy Teslas because they like them. Although chargers are necessary, they aren't sufficient.

Walmart has had 25 years to outcompete Amazon, and is still clueless. Phone makers have had 15 years to beat Apple, and the competition is still not as polished.

(Personally, I don't prefer Teslas or iPhones.)

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

adrianN wrote: post #90
bluGill wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. People like their car to look new/different, and volumes on cars are high enough that the advantages of a custom platform is worth the cost of designing it.

The design of the car is only loosely related to the skateboard that contains the battery and the drivetrain.

Considering 90% of modern consumer automobiles use a monocoque frame the design means everything to the chassis

Re: Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi say they will use Tesla's EV charging plug

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Post by ryandrake »

Spivak wrote: post #89
InTheArena wrote: post #57

I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.

> which will eventually be all cars God I hope that day is long long in the future given the current ecosystem surrounding this crap. The last thing I want to add to my car is the multi-variant USB-C, thunderbolt, lightning adapter bullshit with accounts and subscriptions. It's the very worst of tech bro culture applied to critical infrastructure. What if the car makers owned and/or could strike deals with specific g…

If ICE cars were invented today, every manufacturer would try to lock you in with their own shape of fuel tank opening. Have a toyota? Use the round fuel pumps. Ford? You need to find a pump with a notch on the end of the end so it's compatible with your tank. BMW? Two notches--find a different fuel station! Jeep? Square shaped pump! Or you need to keep a set of $100 dongle adapters in your trunk at all times. $400 for the California-approved dongles.

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Post by thiago_fm »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #65
thiago_fm wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any country can land on the moon after spending the same amount of money and effort as the US; intelligence and talent are abundant, existing in every nation and human being.

> Any country can land on the moon after spending the same amount of money and effort as the US Objectively false in so many domains. Americans aren’t smarter than other people. But we are very good at organising resources for novel pursuits.

We'll see if that talent will still exist once the money printing press stops working.

Americans are great at many things, just like everybody else.

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Post by bwat49 »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #64
InTheArena wrote: post #57

I think people are missing the big story here. This is Tesla winning the charging network battle (it wasn't close before this). Any EV car (which will eventually be all cars) will immediately be available for Tesla's supercharger network. This gives Tesla a massive revenue stream and scale to grow that network even bigger. Anyone who wants their superchargers has to also support all Teslas.

But it also takes away Tesla's biggest advantage, no? The charging network was a big reason to buy a tesla and now that's gone. So perhaps they will actually end up losing more revenue than gaining.

Fragmented infrastructure benefits no one. Imagine if you could only fill up your ICE vehicle at shell stations because of your vehicle's brand.

Fragmentation of the charging infrastructure puts a hard limit on EV adoption, they will never replace ICE vehicles unless the infrastructure becomes as ubiquitous as gas stations.

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