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If it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one
How about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..
> Volkswagen Group, which also owns Audi, Porsche, and Scout Motors, is finally doing what nearly every other automaker has already done: announce its intention to adopt Tesla’s electric vehicle charging standard. The reporting around this has been so poor. NACS is CCS with Tesla's plug on the end. What's happening is that CCS has won the EV charging protocol wars, Tesla's plug is being standardized as CCS type 3 (ak…
It's the opposite. Every single EV car that is sold right now in North America except Tesla will need a retrofit. Read the article you shared. It's for use on other charging stations. In the picture, you see a dead charger adapter converted into a new Tesla standard one. It's a major pain for other brand EV owners In 1 year, almost at every charging station, you will have to deal with plugging converters in snow, rai…
No, they won't need a new ECU because they are already CCS cars. They'll need a dumb adapter if they can't get a new inlet installed.
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When people talk about standardizing the charge port they’re talking about the shape of the port not the protocol. Tesla has supported the CCS protocol for years now. The Tesla port is vastly superior to the CCS type 1 port. They should get credit for making it an open standard.
Yes, people aren't aware of what's happening. That's a consequence of lazy reporting. Tesla's charging standard is being dropped and CCS will be used by everyone. It's a shame North America still has years of plug incompatibilities and adapter fiddling to look forward to. Europe really got EV charging standardization right. The European EV infrastructure is much further advanced than the North American infrastructure…
Not really, Tesla has over 24k charging stalls in the US. The second biggest is Electrify America, and they have only 3,800 charging stalls. There really aren't a lot of EV chargers that are non-tesla in the US, unlike the EU.
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US is standardizing quite nicely too, on Tesla's charging standard. I can't think of a company that is not planning to use Tesla's charger going forward.
Not really. Many Tesla Superchargers are being equipped with Magic Dock, which is perpetuating CCS. More manufacturers may be moving to NACS, but it’s not like chargers are moving away from CCS. If anything, the CCS infrastructure is growing.
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...in America. Europe here quite nicely standardising on CCS2.
IIRC it’s a legal requirement vs just a standard like CCS1. South Korea has the same legal demand for CCS1 so it’ll be interesting to see what happens with NACS there. I personally don’t mind using CCS vs NACS. I didn’t feel super inspired by the flex I felt when inserting a supercharger’s plug into a Model 3 but clearly it works fine in practice. My guess is that Electrify America with NACS plugs will still be just…
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If it’s electrical it wouldn’t be too hard to conver from one standard to another using an adapter, since it’s standard on both sides there will be a money incentive to make one
How about voltage / current / communication? Seems quite a complicated problem, it's not just a case of different USB plug styles..
Making my 2015 S70D that had a Type 2 connector work with CCS2 was a 300 USD conversion. I can't see any reason why converting from NACS to CCS2 would be any more difficult or expensive.
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In order to avoid separate ports for AC and DC charging, or a simple adapter that only needed to handle low power AC charging, they designed a giant franken-plug with a fragile latching mechanism. Given the lack of regulatory standardization on this plug in the years since, the majority of EVs and DC chargers in the US continued to use Tesla's plug, which remained proprietary to Tesla.
When we finally started apply regulatory pressure via federal funding for EV chargers to try to force CCS1, everyone (including Tesla) finally caved and switched to Tesla's connector.