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Isn't only the transport layer of X insecure? That could be swapped out with another layer. With Wayland you have to use VNC which is fine for local networks, but not for remote ones.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by bogwog » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #2

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From my understanding, the biggest problem with Nvidia cards atm is the lack of explicit sync support in Wayland, which is something that is actively being worked on by both Nvidia and others.

That said, I've been using Nvidia+Wayland+KDE on my workstation for over a year now and while there are problems, it's certainly useable.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by bityard » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

This could use a (2012) tag.

(And the better link to use is this one: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/index.html)

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by addicted » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #4

tapoxi wrote: post #2

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Isn't only the transport layer of X insecure? That could be swapped out with another layer. With Wayland you have to use VNC which is fine for local networks, but not for remote ones.

From what I understand, and I’m no expert on this, X pretty much broke application sandboxing. X’s design was inherently insecure in the context of modern OS security practices.

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by icarito » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

I suffer from the limitations of both X11 and Wayland. Some things work in one and not the other, it's a trade off. In Wayland I can use different scaling for each monitor (in exchange for a LOT of RAM). But in X11 I can use Barrier to share my mouse / keyboard with my other computer. So I use one when I have a second monitor and have to restart my session when I use a second computer :'(

Please fix this!

Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

jbverschoor wrote: post #4

tapoxi wrote: post #2

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Isn't only the transport layer of X insecure? That could be swapped out with another layer. With Wayland you have to use VNC which is fine for local networks, but not for remote ones.

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Re: Wayland vs. X – Overview

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Post by edent » Wed, Dec 20, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

I don't know what I'm doing wrong with Wayland. I have a cheap Linux laptop, with built in graphics. And Wayland works perfectly.

I can run multiple monitors with one of them rotated. When I tried that with X I got lots of juddery tearing.

I can take screenshots and share my screens via video calls. But everyone says it doesn't work due to security.

I have fractional scaling and it doesn't seem to burn out my CPU or battery. Yet that's frequently listed as a disadvantage.

What do I need to do in order to make Wayland as bad as everyone says it is?