I thought it was going to be part of my subscription. Lost my trust in JetBrains after seeing I needed to do some extra-steps to remove it.
I wonder if they plan to rename the "All Products Pack" to "Some Products Pack". Lol
JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs
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Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs
#112Oh how the might have fallen. For many years they were the one company that understood developer trust and kept that faith. I’ve seen developers argue for literally months in big companies to get this tooling to be the default and get paid for. I don’t know who needs to be fired over there, but whoever made this decision needs to be and the company needs to make a public apology and public commitment to remove nag fr…
JetBrains's EULA has long been a blank check in terms of sharing information with third parties. Glad to see some light falling in that vicinity.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
My most recent invoice from Jetbrains was $109. In the previous 4 years, it was $96. I have the 40% continuity discount since I first purchased a license in 2015. I have the "IntelliJ IDEA Ultimate" license, FWIW. I don't see myself switching to another IDE. $109 is a drop in the bucket. I also use VSCode, mostly for non-code text editing. Relearning and configuring keybinds would be enough to keep me on Jetbrains un…
I mentioned in another comment I must have been mistaken, I had the all products pack. I went from $89/year in 2019 to $149/year in 2022 which was a 67% price hike.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I shouldn't need to disable a plugin like that. In my opinion, it's something that I should need to explicitly enable if I want it. All it takes is one person on a project accepting the prompts to agree to the ToS for everyone. They know it's problem too because commercial accounts can disable the integration for everyone. And most of what I said was relating to the direction Jetbrains is moving. As soon as they star…
Thanks! I guess the main reason the plugin is enabled by default is to promote it. AI tools are becoming an important part of the development workflow, with a majority of developers using a chat LLM or Copilot ( https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/ai/ ). So the functionality offered by the plugin might be interesting to a large part of the user base. A non-bundled plugin would not be discovered by most use…
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#115Oh, come on. It's a high-pressure situation, where they're damned if they don't offer any AI plugins (why are you not as good as X???), and they're damned if they do (why is this freemium crap polluting my otherwise nag-free freeloader experience?) Things will take a while to settle. Unless your workflow is *truly* broken by the fall-out, save your outrage. And yes, I'm a paying JetBrains customer, don't like their A…
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mentioned in another comment I must have been mistaken, I had the all products pack. I went from $89/year in 2019 to $149/year in 2022 which was a 67% price hike.
I think IDEA Ultimate was $89 back then and the All Products was $149 until last year. Are you sure you had the All Products pack the whole time?
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#117To clarify submission- -if you disable the plugin, it will be enabled when you restart. -if you uninstall the plugin, on restart an old version will appear, enabled, in its place, begging for an update. However given that JetBrains didn't block either uninstall or disable, the most logical explanation is that this is a bug/unintentional. The rollout of this AI plugin has been really poorly done, with it completely fa…
I suspect the root cause is that they want to inflate the numbers of how many people "use" their new service (AI) or language (Kotlin). This way they can just report every single installation of IntelliJ as part of their marketing/sales numbers.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
But considering you cant uninstall it, how do you know disable does anything?
What? Is your question "how can you trust jetbrains?" or something? I don't understand. Disable disables a plugin. If you're saying "but only if you trust jetbrains" yes, you are running their code on your computer... If your model is "I don't trust this software" the plugin is irrelevant.
And uninstall uninstalls it. Except in this case when the plugin automatically reinstalls, according to TFA.
And we're talking about something that sends your code to their servers.
Malice, incompetence... still not good.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks! I guess the main reason the plugin is enabled by default is to promote it. AI tools are becoming an important part of the development workflow, with a majority of developers using a chat LLM or Copilot ( https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2023/ai/ ). So the functionality offered by the plugin might be interesting to a large part of the user base. A non-bundled plugin would not be discovered by most use…
GitHub copilot is not enabled by default or installed on vscode, yet tons and tons of people use it. Mostly because it's actually pretty good compared to Jetbrains implementation. You can't force stuff onto your users and not expect some backlash though. Especially for a paid product that could've just as easily made it easy to disable or remove.
Nobody forces stuff onto you. You can disable everything with just one checkbox.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is what every company is doing in the name of integrating "Gen AI". 90% of it is chat bots. And in 90% of those places I dont want a chat bot.
This is a cynical take. JetBrains knows what's best for its business. It knows that Microsoft presents a clear and present danger to extincting them and all of their hard work. LLMs have a huge role in the future of engineering, whether or not you like it. They present massive productivity boosts. I'm a senior Rust engineer and I've seen my development time nearly cut in half after using LLMs. And we're just getting…