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Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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post #57

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If that Forbes article is correct, then it's about the same amount of censorship as before.

That implies government requests were the sole source of Twitter's censorship.

Fair point; for example, I'm now self-censoring on Twitter since it become overrun with toxic arseholes after October 2022.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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"Death of Twitter" why are people so deluded and so eager for Twitter to fail? You were a big fan of the previous regime's censorship?

I'm eager for Twitter to fail because I think it's been a net negative influence on the world almost since its inception, but it has not seemed realistic to hope that it could go away until now. Certainly, it will be replaced by something, and that thing may be just as bad, but I'm happy for the possibility that it might be better too.

I recall reading an article about the genesis of Twitter, and it included one of the tweets from one of the founders who was tweeting 'just had Ethiopian for dinner' or something like that. My response to that, and to every tweet ever since has been, "yeah, I don't give a shit."

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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post #64

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Who are the nebulous "elites" and are you suggesting that Musk and Trump don't belong in that number? It seems like the argument is that the sheep got one over on the _maybe_ wolves by... rallying behind a couple of _definitely_ wolves who threw on some crummy sheep costumes?

Don't you love when people do that? lol "Trump and Musk aren't like the elites!" like oh I didn't realize your normal, everyday, average Joe could just leverage their assets and spend $44bn to buy a platform just to ~destroy it~ sorry, make it better by making sure no one posts there.

I think when people say this, they're using "elite" to signal a mentality rather a wealth level.

Consider a wealthy, business-owning tradesman and a broke ivy league post-doc. Who sounds more "elite" in their mannerisms?

"Professional/managerial class conformist" might be more precise but it's pretty clunky.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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post #55

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"Death of Twitter" why are people so deluded and so eager for Twitter to fail? You were a big fan of the previous regime's censorship?

Twitter was a dumpster fire before Musk, but Musk has decided to pour gasoline in that dumpster. I don't care if Twitter succeeds or fails, but I think that if the media and other entities stop using Twitter as their sole method of communication, that can only be a great thing for everybody. If people stopped using Twitter as a source for reporting, that would also be a great thing. Twitter is a unique world, not rep…

Twitter has been a fidget spinner for journalists.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

#135

Reddit is a good way of knowing

Reddit is just another segregated community, it is one that just somehow attracts the type who perplexingly think they can understand and speak for everyone.

Reddit has a structure that's uniquely suited to capturing the whole of the internet. There is no mirror of Reddit here, but there is /r/HackerNews and /r/TheAtlantic. And while I'm pretty active on Reddit, the "most popular" posts on Reddit are as alien to me as the "most popular" TikTok videos mentioned in the article.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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post #97

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I don't agree with your definition of censorship. A government doesn't have to be involved to qualify. Moderation is a subset of censorship.

Strictly speaking, you're correct -- but it also highlights that not all censorship is wrong or bad. It can very easily be a valid exercise of free speech rights. Twitter (or any social media) moderating people's posts isn't wrong, for instance. Nobody's rights are being infringed when they do this. You might disagree with their moderation policies, but that's a different thing altogether. Legally speaking in the US,…

It's government censorship when the government is involved with funding the companies doing the censoring or when the FBI "nudges" companies to suppress stories. Having spooks in executive positions doesn't help the optics either. If anything, a bunch of companies acting in lock step to suppress certain stories or opinions should face anti-trust scrutiny...assuming we have a functioning justice system. The government outsourcing censorship to private corporations is government censorship...

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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The author sounds out of touch. It has always been chaos, and whether something was viral has always been a curated reality. Throwing "AI" into an old narrative does not make it new and interesting. The internet has always been a twist on a gossipy book club, it's just that it has become so big it's not recognizable as such.

In comparison, those holding the most data know more than ever. That is how they built the AI tools to begin with. And in the chaos they will dictate what we get out of the internet.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

#138
post #62

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> It'd look like their friends were ignoring them, weren't interested in them, etc., possibly leading to depression If my friends seemed to be ignoring my tweets, I'd certainly ask them what's up with that through a different mechanism (in person, through texting, whatever). If the only interaction I have with a person is through Twitter, then it's a real stretch to call them "friends" in the first place.

You would really ask your friends why they are ignoring your tweets? I would feel a little ridiculous doing that.

I absolutely would, if it were a thing that was bothering me. They're my friends, after all. Why would someone feel ridiculous for checking in with their friends about something strange?

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

#139
post #37

Maybe that's a good thing? I remember a few years ago when journalists were outsourcing their reporting to Twitter and we had headlines like "The Internet is Freaking Out About X" when it was really a dozen nobodies on Twitter. The death of Twitter and the re-fragmentation of the internet sounds like a breath of fresh air compared to the purple haze of the last decade's centralized web.

Yup, and it was even worse because you could drive any narrative and reinforce any bias that way. Make up a story, search 3 random Tweets that support it, and now you can report on anything to an audience that will eat it up, no real evidence needed. It is still happening of course, but at least now people rightfully look at Twitter with a little more suspicion.

This coincided with a reevaluation of the role of objectivity in journalism, and the rise in the number of journalists who also self identified as activists. While I don't think The View From Nowhere was every really possible, I do think that this reflected a shift in norms that resulted in more blatant cherry picking of facts and backfilling of narratives to support predetermined conclusions.

[1] https://mediaengagement.org/research/can-journalists-also-be... [2] https://archives.cjr.org/editorial/the_right_debate.php

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

#140

> Popular content is being consumed at an astounding scale, yet popularity and even celebrity feel miniaturized, siloed. We live in a world where it’s easier than ever to be blissfully unaware of things that other people are consuming. I've long been trying to communicate this trend to anyone who will listen, once needs are saturated the trend becomes building specialization that produces the most hedonism/value for…

> Will it be good for us or society?

It would be the end of society. Society requires a common understanding of reality, and the things you're talking about are deliberately destroying a common understanding of reality.

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