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JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

donmcronald wrote: post #84
cpburns2009 wrote: post #72

What is with this outrage over a bundled plugin? Is it two minutes of hate for yet another AI chat bot? You can't even use it without first starting a 7-day trial, or purchasing the separate AI service subscription for it. Organization accounts even have to authorize use so that removes possible IP concerns.

I think it comes down to expectations being betrayed, even if the expectations aren't correct. For me, I pay Jetbrains every year because I want a fully local IDE. I absolutely do NOT want any kind of cloud integration because that means my workflow becomes dependent on Jetbrains or whatever third party is powering the integration. At that point, all of the value of Jetbrains is gone, at least for me, and I could use…

> I absolutely do NOT want any kind of cloud integration because that means my workflow becomes dependent on Jetbrains or whatever third party is powering the integration.

Nothing has changed. The plugin is enabled by default but it does nothing unless activated. "Enabled" doesn't mean it's doing anything.

> Again, I'm paying to NOT have that.

So don't.

>So my hunch is that people finding it useful are probably below average developers that don't know what they don't know.

Nope, I'm definitely an excellent developer and I find it useful.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by [deleted] »

donmcronald wrote: post #90
igor_akhmetov wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of text and it's still not clear what you're trying to say. Just disable the plugin if you don't need it or don't find it useful?

I shouldn't need to disable a plugin like that. In my opinion, it's something that I should need to explicitly enable if I want it. All it takes is one person on a project accepting the prompts to agree to the ToS for everyone. They know it's problem too because commercial accounts can disable the integration for everyone. And most of what I said was relating to the direction Jetbrains is moving. As soon as they star…

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Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

Shawnecy wrote: post #78
hk1337 wrote: post #47

It's _mildly_ infuriating but disable it and move on.

Please don't make such glib uninformed comments: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-p...

You keep linking this over and over again and you clearly don't understand what you've linked. The plugin isn't even activated by default, you have to explicitly do so. IT's enabled, meaning the plugin can run, but it doesn't do anything related to AI unless you press the "free trial" or activation buttons.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

mystiick wrote: post #41
PreInternet01 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a minor bug at most? And if the plugin remains enabled, but doesn't do anything, what's the actual issue here? Rephrased: what's the problem with waiting until the next point release of the affected product before assuming malicious intent?

A plugin that reinstalls itself to ask for money is malicious intent

You're saying "a thing that happens is intent" it's literally nonsensical.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

nottorp wrote: post #42
insanitybit wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A disabled plugin has virtually no security implications.

But considering you cant uninstall it, how do you know disable does anything?

What? Is your question "how can you trust jetbrains?" or something? I don't understand. Disable disables a plugin. If you're saying "but only if you trust jetbrains" yes, you are running their code on your computer...

If your model is "I don't trust this software" the plugin is irrelevant.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by donmcronald »

hyeomans wrote: post #3

I thought it was going to be part of my subscription. Lost my trust in JetBrains after seeing I needed to do some extra-steps to remove it.

I wonder if they plan to rename the "All Products Pack" to "Some Products Pack". Lol

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

ivanmontillam wrote: post #56

To quote myself in the YouTrack thread. > This is excess hubris from a Product Manager who decided it was a good idea to force a plugin on users. This is hostile behaviour. I bet the conversation went like this: "Yeah, they'll learn to love it; it's soooo great what we have to offer with this cutting-edge technology!" I really do hope they reconsider this Product choice. > I reckon they need to recoup the investment…

"force a plugin on users" literally it says "Activate?" and you just close the window ffs

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by insanitybit »

drpossum wrote: post #59
Scarbutt wrote: post #12

Many plugins can't be completely removed but you can disabled them, was wrong with that? I disabled this one and it hasn't nag me.

AI plugins that analyze and ship your code off need to be able to set more important boundaries by their very nature for many environments, to say nothing of normal privacy expectations.

That isn't what's happening here. The plugin being enabled doesn't do anything except prompt you to activate it. Nothing is shipped off, no 'ai' even runs until you hit 'activate'.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by donmcronald »

PreInternet01 wrote: post #24

Oh, come on. It's a high-pressure situation, where they're damned if they don't offer any AI plugins (why are you not as good as X???), and they're damned if they do (why is this freemium crap polluting my otherwise nag-free freeloader experience?) Things will take a while to settle. Unless your workflow is *truly* broken by the fall-out, save your outrage. And yes, I'm a paying JetBrains customer, don't like their A…

If it's a feature people want, why does it need to be bundled? Won't people seek it out if it's so amazing?

That's a rhetorical question. I know the reason. If they don't bundle it, engagement will be low because people simply don't want it. At best, it's an advertisement in my IDE. At worst it's something that can send my code to an external party.

Re: JetBrains forces AI freemium plugin that cannot be completely removed into IDEs

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Post by Shawnecy »

insanitybit wrote: post #93
Shawnecy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make such glib uninformed comments: https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-341408/Disabling-p...

You keep linking this over and over again and you clearly don't understand what you've linked. The plugin isn't even activated by default, you have to explicitly do so. IT's enabled , meaning the plugin can run, but it doesn't do anything related to AI unless you press the "free trial" or activation buttons.

WRONG. You say that, but read the details and the original thread from what it was cut: "but the bundled older version remains enabled after IDE restart."

THE OLD VERSION IS ENABLED AFTER IDE RESTART.

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