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$750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

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Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#71

"About 2% of the total went to alcohol, cigarettes and drug expenses — the largest portion of which was cigarettes" I'm pretty sure that the average American spends more than 2% of their income on drugs.

That spending was self-reported. Do you think the average American would self-report more?

Also need to factor in that since the $750 is a recurring gift that could stop at any time, recipients are incentivized to report that the $750 is spent in good ways.

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#72

"About 2% of the total went to alcohol, cigarettes and drug expenses — the largest portion of which was cigarettes" I'm pretty sure that the average American spends more than 2% of their income on drugs.

I have a hard time believing that’s a legitimate statistic. Even being a normal daily smoker would equate to a lot more than 2%.

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#73
As expected, most folks are reacting directly to the headline. The study protocols are more interesting and informative: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-3287846/v1

Basically, the key factor here appears to not only be money, but an assigned “Miracle Friend” who has recurring check-ins with the individual. The grantees of the funding were all individuals who kept up recurring checkins for some period of time (without being disclosed that this would result in receiving any money).

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#74
post #39

I am happy for Las Angeles to perform a widespread trial of this kind of initiative. Attract people to Southern California that might be homeless elsewhere, help them get on their feet via $750/person/month, then they will get off the subsidy and contribute back to the community! If it works I will encourage a similar system in my hometown. If it does not work then I'm glad we did a trial run first. Note: I'm paywall…

This is a hilariously naive and silly take because SF did exactly this and continues to do so. Spoiler alert, they have massively exacerbated their homeless problems and very few are being reintegrated back into society.

Which SF program are you speaking of that continues to provide direct cash payments?

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#75
(commenting the article, not the title)

Here is the interim report of the randomized controlled trial: https://dworakpeck.usc.edu/sites/default/files/2023-12/Mirac...

There is already plenty of evidence of how poverty cripples cognitive capabilities and prevents long-term planning. Getting a leg up and slightly more financial security gives people a longer time horizon to plan forward. Well-off people who try living "in poverty" for short period don't experience the stress like people living in actual poverty and stress and can't understand how bad it is.

The first path out of poverty is giving people some money without strings attached.

On the psychology of poverty https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1232491

Poverty Impedes Cognitive Function https://www.science.org/doi/abs/10.1126/science.1238041

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#76
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that you call all homeless people "mentally ill drug addicts" is very telling. Do some basic research. I hope you find some empathy in your heart.

I don't need to research, I deal with them on a daily basis just to go about my day because in my town they are everywhere. The fact that you are ready to simply dismiss someones lived experience based on a few flawed studies tells me everything I need to know about your agenda.

Thankfully, your limited life experience is not a total and accurate picture of reality, and we can collect actual, rigorous statistics on this kind of thing that don't depend on people without empathy judging from afar.

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

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post #31

As someone who is nearing 2,000 days of two stints of homelessness since 2017, I can offer feedback that such an amount would help to alleviate basic survival pressures. But, money will not solve any root cause issues. I've been unhoused and out of work for so long that any recovery back to a normal life has become exceedingly unlikely. I don't drink alcohol, I don't smoke, nor do I do illicit drugs nor prescriptions…

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Can someone consider giving this person a leg up? It's true that my communication abilities and long term relations helped fill stop gaps over the years.

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#79
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

did it actually get them back on their feet? i.e. to the point where they no longer needed the free money? or did it improve their lives by being able to purchase/consume $750 more of goods and services? Almost anyones life would be improved by a free $750/month, wether or not it makes any lasting change versus simply making them dependent on another government program is the real question.

I would think getting them off the street and into shelter is a win either way.

not if it leads to even more people living on the streets or in shelters - the media was ripe with stories that if we just stopped criminalizing drug use, it would lead to more people seeking help and overdoses would go down - it had the opposite affect - more overdoses, more drug users etc.

I think it would work the same way here.

Re: $750 a month, no questions asked, improved the lives of homeless people

#80
post #39

I am happy for Las Angeles to perform a widespread trial of this kind of initiative. Attract people to Southern California that might be homeless elsewhere, help them get on their feet via $750/person/month, then they will get off the subsidy and contribute back to the community! If it works I will encourage a similar system in my hometown. If it does not work then I'm glad we did a trial run first. Note: I'm paywall…

This is a hilariously naive and silly take because SF did exactly this and continues to do so. Spoiler alert, they have massively exacerbated their homeless problems and very few are being reintegrated back into society.

I don’t know why you’re being downvoted. SF absolutely does already give out monthly grants. It hasn’t seemed to move the needle in reducing homelessness, but maybe it make things less dire for those who get it? I guess the question is what’s the goal of the money…
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