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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by bequanna »

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

> It’s still great.

I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate.

From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli.

Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet somehow expensive and desirable. What am I missing?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by shortrounddev2 »

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

And new york decides the best way to solve this problem is to irrationally ban short term rentals rather than just building more housing

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by 4death4 »

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

This would make sense if the population growth was increasing but at a slower rate. But, the population is actively declining. Somehow, 5.3% of people went from having housing to leaving, so I don’t think housing is the only story here.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by nicklecompte »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #3

Does anybody have the stats for the metro area rather than just the city?

This is a very interesting question, and the linked study does not address it, only "net migration" to "other parts of the country." IANAD[1] but I suspect the census estimate data is not actually capable of addressing your specific question - how could you tell who was coming from where? But as jeffbee suggested there might be a way to tease it out.

The study mentions remote work being part of the reason for the shift; this also confounds "city-to-suburb" versus "city-to-Midwest" migration since it's harder to cross-check against employment statistics - again, without more detailed surveys.

[1] Demographer :)

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by ThomPete »

cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

Agree.

Food wise it's wild too. What used to be the price of an entres is now the price of an appetizer and the service have gotten down too.

Getting a place you actually want to live 2 bedrooms is at least $4K we pay much more because we live in a nice building.

But it's still a great city and I am sure somethings gotta give.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by candiddevmike »

bequanna wrote: post #21
cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

> It’s still great. I’ve been to NYC many times and have friends in their late 30s that live there. The ones that live there say the same (“it’s great”) but never elaborate. From the outside, it honestly looks like a dirty, difficult, chaotic city. Many restaurants, but all seem to be copy+paste coffee shop, Italian, etc or very low quality cafe/deli. Coming from the Midwest, it feels very old, dirty and poor yet som…

The cultural, nightlife, and entertainment aspects. All cities are varying degrees of old/disgusting.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by phailhaus »

shortrounddev2 wrote: post #22
cglan wrote: post #12

I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a city of millions. Sure you can pay more and get something. But it used to be that you traded a lot of quality of life (in unit washer dryer, dishwasher, ac, no walkups, cars, space, etc) for a lower price and the s…

And new york decides the best way to solve this problem is to irrationally ban short term rentals rather than just building more housing

If you don't ban short-term rentals and just build housing, how does that fix the problem? People will buy it up and just put it on AirBnB.
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