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How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Is there a well known strategy game where AI doesn't have better chances to win than a human? Is there possibly, math wise, that such games exist? I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots.

Civilization V? Warcraft 3?

But any answer will be such only because no one tried hard enough to make a supreme AI.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Is there a well known strategy game where AI doesn't have better chances to win than a human? Is there possibly, math wise, that such games exist? I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots.

I would say any game that includes a lot of uncertainty, subjectivity and random chance would mean that an AI would not usually have an edge over a human. Maybe games like diplomacy, magic the gathering, pandemic, Gloomhaven, maybe poker (?), backgammon (?) etc.

On a sidenote, I think it’s interesting that we’re a point where it’s starting to get hard to come up with games that humans can beat AI at.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Is there a well known strategy game where AI doesn't have better chances to win than a human? Is there possibly, math wise, that such games exist? I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots.

I would say any game that includes a lot of uncertainty, subjectivity and random chance would mean that an AI would not usually have an edge over a human. Maybe games like diplomacy, magic the gathering, pandemic, Gloomhaven, maybe poker (?), backgammon (?) etc. On a sidenote, I think it’s interesting that we’re a point where it’s starting to get hard to come up with games that humans can beat AI at.

I would like to hear your reasoning as to why you think that a human is especially good at dealing with uncertainty. My experience is the opposite.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say any game that includes a lot of uncertainty, subjectivity and random chance would mean that an AI would not usually have an edge over a human. Maybe games like diplomacy, magic the gathering, pandemic, Gloomhaven, maybe poker (?), backgammon (?) etc. On a sidenote, I think it’s interesting that we’re a point where it’s starting to get hard to come up with games that humans can beat AI at.

I would like to hear your reasoning as to why you think that a human is especially good at dealing with uncertainty. My experience is the opposite.

I’m not saying a human would be better than an AI. Just saying it would be a more equal playing field, since neither would have a significant advantage.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

#27

Is there a well known strategy game where AI doesn't have better chances to win than a human? Is there possibly, math wise, that such games exist? I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots.

> "I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots."

Conjures an image of the astronaut with a gun meme...

  - Wait, playing games to win is a waste of time now?

  - It always was.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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I briefly scanned the article. I am not that impressed by the result. I thought that an average smart person and particularly someone with a scientific background could reach that resalt in one or two months.

My experience. I played chess when I was between 13 and 16, at that time I was a good player but not a child prodigy, let's say one of the best players in my school. I have no idea of my ELO then, there was no internet in the early '80s. I have not played for roughly 40 years. I few years ago I started playing on lichess and my ELO is now around 1700 (with a peak of 1900). I don't know if chess.com and lichess have different ratings.

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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Is there a well known strategy game where AI doesn't have better chances to win than a human? Is there possibly, math wise, that such games exist? I kind of dislike not having a chance when playing against bots.

I would say any game that includes a lot of uncertainty, subjectivity and random chance would mean that an AI would not usually have an edge over a human. Maybe games like diplomacy, magic the gathering, pandemic, Gloomhaven, maybe poker (?), backgammon (?) etc. On a sidenote, I think it’s interesting that we’re a point where it’s starting to get hard to come up with games that humans can beat AI at.

Scaringly enough, Diplomacy seems to work well for AI too. https://ai.meta.com/blog/cicero-ai-negotiates-persuades-and-...

Re: How to learn chess as an adult (2021)

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I briefly scanned the article. I am not that impressed by the result. I thought that an average smart person and particularly someone with a scientific background could reach that resalt in one or two months. My experience. I played chess when I was between 13 and 16, at that time I was a good player but not a child prodigy, let's say one of the best players in my school. I have no idea of my ELO then, there was no i…

Lichess ratings are higher generally, although they even out with chess.com the higher you get.

1400 on lichess is more like 1200 on chess.com, but 1900 is probably 1900.

Based on your post though, you definitely seem like you are very smart or have a natural affinity for chess. 1900 is extremely high, especially in a few months or even years.

Normally people gain around 300 ELO points per year if they are learning and practicing actively.

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