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Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by 11101010001100 »

frognumber wrote: post #25
lebean wrote: post #10

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Spending $3 isn't the same as taking $3 worth of meals from someone's mouth. This is true whether it's done ten or a billion times.

It depends on your moral philosophy. To give an extreme, hedonistic utilitarianism says it is. I'm not that extreme, but there are limits to what I'll spend money on, in light of the opportunity cost of helping others. Sending my kid to college for the equivalent of providing full cost-of-living to a thousand people for 200 days? Gladly. Buy a car for the same amount? No matter my income, I wouldn't do it. It's a fri…

I don't see how picking a philosophy then claiming the outcome is rational, while picking a different philosophy will lead to a claim that the outcome is irrational is anything more than just quibbling over inconsistent semantics.

Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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brnt wrote: post #17
15457345234 wrote: post #13

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That's the model that worked for kingdoms, dukedoms and fiefdoms for ages, I don't know why you think it wouldn't work now. The hierarchy establishes itself under a figure they feel will protect them and keep them safe. It's a personality cult. They work. Don't ask me why, but they do.

Come the apocalypse, nobody is going to seek shelter under the iron fists of Zuckerberg. He lacks raw power (where is his army?) and if he had it, the stomach to ruthlessly apply it. Ruthlessly exploit teens mental wellbeing through a website is quite something else than being seen to wield deadly physical force yourself.

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Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by aydyn »

rockemsockem wrote: post #28
aydyn wrote: post #27

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The problem with food stamps is program abuse: about 25% is spent on junk food. And then there's outright fraud, which as a percentage is small but still a lot of money. Who knows how much is spent on uber eats/doordash. I'm fine with tax spending to feed the poor, but I don't agree with spending on luxury foods and luxury food services that I wouldn't even spend on myself.

That thinking is the problem. Every government program will see fraud and I don't even see how junk food is a real problem? The point is calories. Sure, healthier food would be better, but there are other efforts to get people of all income brackets to eat healthier. The government should not limit what people are permitted to eat just because they're poor enough to qualify.

How is "that thinking" the problem? A problem for what exactly?

Junk food is a problem because it's vastly overpriced relative to the amount of nutritional value.

In terms of material cost, the dollar amount actually necessary to feed poor people is a tiny insignificant fraction of what is being spent now. That's inefficient.

Not to even mention how junk food contributes to obesity and other health problems, effectively creating a second-order tax unto the health care system.

Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by aydyn »

jarjar2_ wrote: post #30
aydyn wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with food stamps is program abuse: about 25% is spent on junk food. And then there's outright fraud, which as a percentage is small but still a lot of money. Who knows how much is spent on uber eats/doordash. I'm fine with tax spending to feed the poor, but I don't agree with spending on luxury foods and luxury food services that I wouldn't even spend on myself.

The max benefit for EBT in ND is $250-ish for a single person essentially making nothing. The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating. All prepared food is banned in ND for EBT. Meaning you can’t order Taco Bell through door dash. If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures…

> The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating.

They could eat for much less than that. Again, why should the taxpayer be subsidizing luxury spending? Junk food is a luxury.

> If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures look at defense contracting and spending. EBT fraud is a rounding error for some of those program overruns. Also at tax policy when it comes to revenue offshoring, inheritance and millionaires to billionaire tax evasion.

Whataboutism. Two things can be true at once.

Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by jarjar2_ »

aydyn wrote: post #36
jarjar2_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The max benefit for EBT in ND is $250-ish for a single person essentially making nothing. The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating. All prepared food is banned in ND for EBT. Meaning you can’t order Taco Bell through door dash. If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures…

> The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating. They could eat for much less than that. Again, why should the taxpayer be subsidizing luxury spending? Junk food is a luxury. > If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures look at defense contracting and spending. EBT fraud is a…

I would continue discussing this with you, but if you object to people buying a bag of chips, I can draw a relatively easy conclusion to your overall opinion on the social safety net and probably tax policy.

It's not worth my time.

Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by mydogcanpurr »

jstarfish wrote: post #18
bamboozled wrote: post #14

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That very mindset is what will put your children in the most danger. You do not live in a vacuum.

That's what I tell everyone who advocates for defunding food stamps. The bread we throw to the poor is the only thing that keeps their knives away from your throat. Americans think gun ownership is some sort of compensating factor...as though sieges in America have ever ended well for the defending team.

> The bread we throw to the poor is the only thing that keeps their knives away from your throat.

Yeah this wouldn't go how you think it would.

Re: Zuckerberg hunkers down in Hawaii to wait out apocalypse

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Post by SkyPuncher »

aydyn wrote: post #36
jarjar2_ wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The max benefit for EBT in ND is $250-ish for a single person essentially making nothing. The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating. All prepared food is banned in ND for EBT. Meaning you can’t order Taco Bell through door dash. If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures…

> The whole point of EBT is to keep people fed. If they are eating junk food and not maximizing their nutritional value to your satisfaction that’s fine because they’re still eating. They could eat for much less than that. Again, why should the taxpayer be subsidizing luxury spending? Junk food is a luxury. > If you’re really worried about your tax expenditures look at defense contracting and spending. EBT fraud is a…

What an entitled take.

Junk food is popular for many reasons. Beyond “tasing good”, most of it is readily accessible, requires no prep, and is calorie dense. It certainly lacks nutrients, but it does keep people going.

I know any people take this for granted, but knowing how to prepare food from scratch is a skill. It takesa time, it takes effort, it takes knowledge that some people simply don’t feel they have.

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