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Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#81

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

Maybe we want it to be a niche place?

Also, the effect of Google's presence on XMPP was huge, see https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-netwo...

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#82

> If you’re a publisher, creator or brand on Flipboard, you’ll start to see new visitors and engagement as people discover and share your content across the growing Fediverse. I think it should be opt-in. Users should be asked if their content will be distributed on new places. This is a deceptive UX pattern to push a new feature [1]. [1] https://www.interaction-design.org/literature/topics/automat...

"By posting it, you give us permission to use your content to do what we reasonably believe necessary to improve and provide our service both now and in the future. For example, this may include storing, displaying, reproducing and distributing your content on Flipboard’s website, mobile application, our social web integrations, and any future offerings. This might also include providing or promoting your content with partner companies or services for broader broadcast, redistribution or publication via Flipboard."

https://about.flipboard.com/terms-of-service/

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#83

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

I don't fully understand what federation means for something like Threads and Mastodon. Will I be able to follow various users across the Fediverse and view all their posts in the Threads app, or will I just be able to sign in to their servers with my threads account?

I suspect Threads will enable it in phases, but assuming a full implementation...

Yes, using the Threads app you could then follow somebody from i.e. a Mastodon instance if that instance does not have the Threads domain blocked and the particular instance user also does not have it blocked. So it's going to be hit and miss.

And no, I don't think you can log into another server using your Threads account.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#84

If you can't get past the Medium loginwall, here's a mirrored link: https://archive.ph/uFFy4

FWIW, Medium doesn’t have login walls and hasn’t for a long time. Stories are either paywalled or they aren’t (author’s choice). This link is not paywalled and doesn’t require login.

Last I checked (not super recently) there was a login wall that popped up after you’ve seen X articles that the authors have chosen to put behind the login wall.

Also, if an author wants an article to be eligible for inclusion in aggregated publications, they have to put it behind the login wall. It’s quite possible my info is outdated; happy to learn what the current state of affairs is if things have changed.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#85
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but it does take away your choice to moderate Threads users and content yourself. Or you just create a different account on any one of the several Mastodon instances out there. Mastodon doesn't have the ability to ban you from all of the fediverse. It doesn't take away choice, it simply gives an additional option to the instance admin. Don't like it? Start your own instance.

This is the default "just move to another instance" take of Mastodon. It's impractical if not hostile. It masks the reality of the situation which is that instance moderators have too much of a say in what individual users get to see or do. This attitude is exactly why there's a trend towards ever larger instances.

If the majority of the populace is happy with large, badly-moderated instances, more power to them. That doesn't mean the very real people well-served by small instances with enforced moderation policies should have that taken away from them.

We only have problems when large instances get block-happy. There's some weird stuff going on in fedi admin circles, but so far, it hasn't been as harmful as (… think of a non-Facebook example…) Tumblr's centralised moderation decisions. This is mitigated by small instances, where heads are cooler and tensions are lower because you don't have everything to think about all at once, and individual moderation decisions are less impactful.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happens everywhere, even on my Google News Feed. I can tell Google I don't want to see specific articles, authors, topics, etc., but there's no way for me to tell Google that I don't want to see Clickbait article titles...

Try Ground News. https://ground.news/ (no affiliation)

+1

I’ve been a big fan of ground news in the past few years as a way to at least try to minimize my filter bubble. You’re still limited to mass media, so there will be some bias, but I’ve found it helpful.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#87

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

The present moral outrage is over the Threads ToS stating that if your account interacts with or receives a Threads post in any way, Meta will scrape all available data about your account to build a shadow profile of you for tracking and advertising purposes. I'm not even paraphrasing, they're very explicit about it.

Which is exactly the thing people were afraid of when Threads was first announced.

But really the core issue is that most people on mastodon are there specifically to avoid corporate social media. They don't want to be tracked, spied on, or advertised to. The vast majority of accounts are pseudonymous and they like it that way. Privacy is a foundational core value of the fediverse in general.

Many people see the idea of allowing Meta into the fediverse as the antithesis of every value that the fediverse was built on. Which makes sense, as the fediverse was built specifically as a way to escape Meta, google, and their ilk. There is a very real fear that Meta will attempt to destroy federated social media; what possible reason would they have to not? There's absolutely no incentive for them to allow the status quo, and every incentive to destroy a competitor.

But don't downplay the extreme seriousness of the debate. Fediverse users and admins are pretty split on this issue and argument and discussion happens every day. This is not something most people take lightly, and most treat it very, very seriously.

Personally, I run my own server because I find the endless debate tiring and distasteful. I'll block the meta domain based on their ToS because I'm on mastodon specifically for privacy and anonymity.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#88
post #22

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish... I'm always a bit leery of things like this when massive companies begin adopting open source things such as this. Google Chat embracing XMPP, only to end up abandoning it (as Google does). Slack having an IRC gateway, only to end up abandoning it. There are probably other examples, but these are the ones off the top of my head. These technologies still exist, but in their own bubble. I…

That I had to scroll this far to find this comment means y’all have forgotten your history…

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#89
post #2

Unrelated. How hard is it to create another “internet” which is completely detached from the current internet?

How long is a rope? There is already a bunch of "completely detached" networks out there, organized via wifi links. Freifunk, Guifi and NYC Mesh are three examples of such networks, where you can basically avoid the current internet infrastructure as long as you get hooked up to the mesh network. Lots of interesting services deployed on these networks too :)

I've read about the NYC mesh in the past, I don't remember it being disconnected from the wider internet?

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#90
post #6

I'm excited about this - and about Threads too. I've been on Mastodon for just over a year now. It works really surprisingly well, especially considering it's stitched together from so many independent, non-profit open source instances. But... it's still not easy enough for non-nerds to get onboard. I'd love to see efforts from organizations like Flipboard, and Threads, and Automattic make an impact here. I want to b…

> But... it's still not easy enough for non-nerds to get onboard.

I made several attempts to get onboard with Mastodon about a year ago when I stopped using Twitter. I used a tool to copy over as many people I follow on Twitter to Mastodon.

Technically, it's fine. The issue I have is that it felt exactly the same as Twitter, and I always disliked Twitter.

However, Twitter had reached a network effect threshold where most of the news in my industry was shared exclusively there, so I was... well not quite forced, but strongly compelled to use it.

Mastodon doesn't have this. It's just noise and thoughtless hot takes, much like Twitter, but without most of the news I used to use Twitter for. I hope it doesn't become another Twitter where I feel compelled to wade through the mess to get my industry news.

To sum up: for me the reason I don't use Mastodon is not technical. It's because it feels useless and I dislike it. I had hoped for a more thoughtful arena of public discourse, but Mastodon is not it. All the interesting tech aside, it's just a Twitter clone using different technology.

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