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Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by rchaud »

BillSaysThis wrote: post #19

Strange for me to see the negative comments on Flipboard (though I'm not of course criticizing anyone's personal opinion) since I've been a user pretty much from the beginning and still use it daily. Ads are definitely visible but not obnoxious or in the way of how I read it. I agree with Brent's take on Fediverse in read apps ( https://inessential.com/2023/12/17/on_mastodon_support_in_ne... ) and Flipboard seems to…

The Fediverse is a breath of fresh air because it's not crawling with ads and low quality writing. Flipboard is basically announcing that they're going to put an end to that. Their list of partner publications is like a who's who of blogspam.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by rchaud »

iteratethis wrote: post #29

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

> Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil".

Isn't this what Gmail and Microsoft do with their approach to spam blocking?

If I want to see "what's trending now" on Threads, I'll call them, they don't have to call me.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by rchaud »

egypturnash wrote: post #42
iteratethis wrote: post #29

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

Once upon a time you could follow someone's public Facebook posts from any RSS reader you liked, whether or not you had an account. Now the only way to follow someone's Facebook posts is to have an account there. And Facebook will probably only show you a small fraction of the posts by the people you actually follow, sorted by what Meta thinks is most likely to make Meta money. If you trust Meta to not follow a simil…

> Once upon a time you could follow someone's public Facebook posts from any RSS reader you liked, whether or not you had an account

...and then Facebook introduced the algorithmic timeline, then one of the most hated feature changes. They also killed off any third party apps that dared to give you the FB experience you were used to.

Embrace, extend extinguish.

Companies will give you everything when they don't care about making money.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by rchaud »

iteratethis wrote: post #37
SiempreViernes wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean it "takes away choice"? Did you mean "imposes annoying bureaucracy"? Because I have a hard time seeing how forcing people to make a choice is taking away choice. Also, the people who have accounts away from the big instances have actively declined to use them, so they are clearly more likely to move to some other mid scale instance if they need to migrate than to head for the big ones.

When your instance moderator makes the choice to block Threads at domain level, you're fully blocked from seeing any Threads content or interacting with any Threads user. It could be that as an instance user you like this decision, but it does take away your choice to moderate Threads users and content yourself.

> but it does take away your choice to moderate Threads users and content yourself.

Or you just create a different account on any one of the several Mastodon instances out there.

Mastodon doesn't have the ability to ban you from all of the fediverse. It doesn't take away choice, it simply gives an additional option to the instance admin. Don't like it? Start your own instance.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by rchaud »

reqo wrote: post #2

Unrelated. How hard is it to create another “internet” which is completely detached from the current internet?

Well FB has lost $20bn and counting on Horizon Worlds and other "new internet" projects. Before building anew, it's important to consider how many people want to leave the current one.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by itsmartapuntocm »

egypturnash wrote: post #42
iteratethis wrote: post #29

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

Once upon a time you could follow someone's public Facebook posts from any RSS reader you liked, whether or not you had an account. Now the only way to follow someone's Facebook posts is to have an account there. And Facebook will probably only show you a small fraction of the posts by the people you actually follow, sorted by what Meta thinks is most likely to make Meta money. If you trust Meta to not follow a simil…

After all this time I think Facebook still you gives the option to send you PGP encrypted emails, which is pretty wild.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by james_pm »

itsmartapuntocm wrote: post #67
egypturnash wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once upon a time you could follow someone's public Facebook posts from any RSS reader you liked, whether or not you had an account. Now the only way to follow someone's Facebook posts is to have an account there. And Facebook will probably only show you a small fraction of the posts by the people you actually follow, sorted by what Meta thinks is most likely to make Meta money. If you trust Meta to not follow a simil…

After all this time I think Facebook still you gives the option to send you PGP encrypted emails, which is pretty wild.

Nope. Deprecated just a couple of weeks ago.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

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Post by tedunangst »

nocoolnametom wrote: post #46
iteratethis wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as Meta turns on federation for Threads, they are the largest Activitypub server, about 10 times larger than all of Mastodon combined. At the same time, Meta cannot stop non-Threads instances from organizing as they already do. So I don't see the threat, really.

The problem comes with "Extend." "We've got this new awesome feature, and we asked nicely if it could be put into the ActivityPub docs but they turned us down/didn't act fast enough. So we're proud to announce MetaPub, a superset of ActivityPub that will still communicate with regular ActivityPub, but to get the best and latest features you'll have to implement MetaPub in your clients. Or just use Threads, where it's…

And then we revert to the state where we don't federate with threads, which doesn't seem so different from not federating with them today. This is weird jealous break up logic. No, you didn't stop talking to me, I stopped talking to you!
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