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Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by wimp »

Nasrudith wrote: post #243
wimp wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm more worried about the lower tail end of the bell curve that doesn't get the memo, and they become increasingly deranged. When 1/4 of the public is essentially brainwashed, your society is in deep trouble.

Yeah, 25% is way too low a threshold for brainwashed to be useful to those at the top. They need at least 50%, 70% would be good but 90% is ideal. Society being defined as in peril is basically a rhetorical constant however. On a more serious note haven't societies long been based upon common brainwashing? The Bronze Age and before are fuzzier on the details but propaganda certainly existed then as well at a smaller…

I think this is a commonly shared miscalculation. In the grand scheme of things, relatively little is required to destabilize society.

Technology advancements raise the danger potential almost exponentially when compared to late history, or even recent history.

It doesn't take much to tip the course of history. The bronze age didn't require the same type of risk assessment that we have the burden of managing.

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Post by sensanaty »

memish wrote: post #143
philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

This applies to discussion too. For instance, how many Reddit comments are bots? With the extreme groupthink present there, it wouldn't be a huge shock if it already makes up over half of the comments in popular subs.

Whenever I read comments on big subredditss I'm convinced ~95% of them are astroturfing bots

Real question is who pays for 'em?

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Post by sensanaty »

CSMastermind wrote: post #95
philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

IMO one of the main things ChatGPT offers is the ability to interact with the knowledge of the internet without wading through ads and SEO spam.

Lol ChatGPT is the biggest boost for scammers out there, and what's gonna happen in the future when the only thing these LLMs train on is other AI-spewed crap?

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Post by realusername »

frogpelt wrote: post #236
pjc50 wrote: post #74

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They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

Really? So the advertising agency would have an Investigation Unit that makes sure the companies aren't scams before allowing them to advertise?

Some stuff can always slip through for sure but when more than half of the ads are looking illegal, that's going to be hard to invoke that they are doing due diligence.

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Post by tivert »

carlosjobim wrote: post #184
philomath_mn wrote: post #170

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There are already many examples of AI generated books spamming Amazon -- how do we separate the wheat from the chaff?

People publish AI generated crap on Amazon because they make money from it and Amazon allows it because they also make money from it. People publish AI generated websites because they make money from it, and Google eagerly put blogspam on top because Google makes money from it. The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to in…

> The shadow libraries make no money by sharing books, instead the librarians risk prison for doing it. So there is no incentive for them to include AI spam books. There is also very little incentive for creators of AI spam books to try to have them included in the shadow libraries.

That's just one incentive. There are others, like ideological battle (e.g. flood the last good information channels with generated myside propaganda, which then will motivated a counter-flood of otherside propaganda, and the mean of the floods isn't truth).

And in any case, ads make a lot of money, but what exactly is an ad anyway? Is there any particular reason an ad can't take the form of an AI-generated spam book in a "shadow library"?

The taint will follow the users.

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Post by iteratethis »

Meme pages and other "aggregate" accounts reveal a flaw in the internet in that credit is rarely attributed to the original content owner. This is unrelated to AI specifically.

You'll have an account "Amazing science". You follow it and it does post interesting videos. You believe the account provides a valuable service.

In reality, these accounts never credit the original source, and even if they do, in a disconnected way. The actual person that made the content does not get the views, likes, reshares, and follows.

It's all done under the disguise of "fair use" but it's a great injustice that these accounts profiteer from effectively "stealing" content. Or at least stealing exposure.

And yes, AI would be the next evolution to make the production of original content increasingly pointless.

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Post by flir »

frogpelt wrote: post #236
pjc50 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

Really? So the advertising agency would have an Investigation Unit that makes sure the companies aren't scams before allowing them to advertise?

Wasn't a problem with broadcast TV.

Seems like the internet ad industry wants scale, but doesn't want to solve the problems of scale.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

pjc50 wrote: post #74
miah_ wrote: post #53

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This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

They did do something: they blocked people using adblockers. Really we need some body like the UK ASA to say "you're liable for all these frauds, Google".

That sounds like a classic example of doing something and making the situation worse (aka almost every regulation ever)

If advertising providers were de jure and de facto liable for fraud, then that will raise the bar for competing advertising providers, as if Google wasn't enough of a monopoly.

Regulation almost universally benefits established players and stifles competition, which is why a lot of regulation is (secretly) backed by large companies. (Note that I'm not saying that regulation never hurts large companies, and regulation can hurt both large companies and small companies/society.)

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Post by phatfish »

jshen wrote: post #126
miah_ wrote: post #53

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This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

The solution is paying for content, but it's been shown over and over again that the vast majority of people won't pay for most of the content they consume.

I'm not so sure, people pay for Netflix and Spotify and other content services. Maybe most of the content on YouTube is not worth paying for?

There are YouTube channels i watch, but it's just a fun distraction. If they went away I'm not sure I would care that much. The educational stuff is handy, but that is all out there in different forms on the web anyway.

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Post by Ferret7446 »

numpad0 wrote: post #139
miah_ wrote: post #53

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This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

Entirely coincidental, but, Google(1998-) is nearing the age of Sun Microsystems(1982-2010) when it died.

> Entirely coincidental

Au contraire, it's very likely that it's not a coincidence.

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