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Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#31

Fun monetization strategy for federated apps - federate with your own instance dedicated to ads. But more seriously what is the monetization strategy for federated apps? Up front pay or subscription for using the app?

You can look at how email is monetized for some ideas. Everything from ad infested free client to pay service to freebie with the purchase of your internet connection.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#32
post #28

Awesome! One small step to admitting you actually are bloatware! https://medium.com/@kaikoenig/samsungs-bloatware-disgrace-c7...

What does Flipboard have to do with Samsung?

Perhaps you assumed that I just threw that link in there, and it had nothing to do with my comment.

Here is a sample of text from it.

"Unwanted 3rd party apps from Microsoft or Flipboard."

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#33

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

What do you mean it "takes away choice"? Did you mean "imposes annoying bureaucracy"? Because I have a hard time seeing how forcing people to make a choice is taking away choice.

Also, the people who have accounts away from the big instances have actively declined to use them, so they are clearly more likely to move to some other mid scale instance if they need to migrate than to head for the big ones.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#34

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

Threads has (as of late last week) enabled federation for a small set of employee accounts. Here's a federated post; it doesn't look like comments and likes are federating: https://mastodon.world/@mosseri@threads.net/1115866154367492...

I don't think most instance owners will block them. The larger servers I've paid attention to don't plan to at this time, though many people have expressed concerns about it being an attempt by Meta to embrace, extend, and extinguish the Fediverse. A few people are very loud about not wanting a Meta presence and are trying to convince others to block them.

I think the opportunity outweighs the threat. There's a chance for Mastodon and others to show their software to a mainstream audience which has already shown a willingness to try out new social software by joining threads. Ideally, some projects will have a better pitch than just "we're not corporate".

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#35
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who never really used XMPP, was it worse off after Google compared to before? I mean sure a ton of users lost access to XMPP after they ended support, but surely most of them never would have used XMPP in the first place.

> but surely most of them never would have used XMPP in the first place. There was a time that Facebook messenger was XMPP and Google chat was XMPP, so there was a time it was gaining a lot of traction. Most people just think their email is email. They don't see it as using SMTP/IMAP/POP3.

I guess what I'm asking is was adoption by big tech a net negative? If you add 50 million users then take away 50 million users, then maybe no harm done. Unless there were other effects as well.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#36
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Flipboard have to do with Samsung?

Perhaps you assumed that I just threw that link in there, and it had nothing to do with my comment. Here is a sample of text from it. "Unwanted 3rd party apps from Microsoft or Flipboard."

You'll have to explain how adding activitypub support is related to that, because I'm not clever enough to follow.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#37

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

What do you mean it "takes away choice"? Did you mean "imposes annoying bureaucracy"? Because I have a hard time seeing how forcing people to make a choice is taking away choice. Also, the people who have accounts away from the big instances have actively declined to use them, so they are clearly more likely to move to some other mid scale instance if they need to migrate than to head for the big ones.

When your instance moderator makes the choice to block Threads at domain level, you're fully blocked from seeing any Threads content or interacting with any Threads user.

It could be that as an instance user you like this decision, but it does take away your choice to moderate Threads users and content yourself.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#38
post #6

I'm excited about this - and about Threads too. I've been on Mastodon for just over a year now. It works really surprisingly well, especially considering it's stitched together from so many independent, non-profit open source instances. But... it's still not easy enough for non-nerds to get onboard. I'd love to see efforts from organizations like Flipboard, and Threads, and Automattic make an impact here. I want to b…

https://flipboard.com/@theverge doesn't work for me. I have to change it to https://flipboard.com/users/theverge.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#39
post #34

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

Threads has (as of late last week) enabled federation for a small set of employee accounts. Here's a federated post; it doesn't look like comments and likes are federating: https://mastodon.world/@mosseri@threads.net/1115866154367492... I don't think most instance owners will block them. The larger servers I've paid attention to don't plan to at this time, though many people have expressed concerns about it being an…

I agree that it's a loud minority complaining about Threads but that loud minority is quite powerful in the Mastodon community.

I think the "embrace, extend, and extinguish" fear is hilarious. The Fediverse is tiny and useless to Meta. Threads as a really crappy Twitter clone is just launched and many times the size of the Fediverse. By federating, they're losing algorithmic control and monetization possibilities. Honestly, I think it's just a "do good" afterthought for the sake of PR.

Re: Flipboard Begins to Federate

#40

Threads is also testing federation, it supposedly is close to being enabled. Interesting dynamic is that Mastodon's community is such a sour bunch that likely most instance owners will block federation with Threads at the domain level. Because "Meta evil". This takes away choice at the user level. Normal people that just want to connect with people and content no matter where it is hosted, which is the very purpose o…

It's less "Meta evil" and more, "We've been burned by 3E countless times." This just looks like the first E.

The problem is that the incentives to engage in the two remaining Es still exist, and given the same incentives, we can predict the same behavior. It's Econ101.

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