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Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by spacecadet »

hackerlight wrote: post #82
spacecadet wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to burn it down and resow the seeds.

With the same incentives you will end up with the same monstrosity. Fix the incentives not the symptoms.

Sure, figured "resow the seeds" would say that, but over yer head. Sorry.

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Post by bdcravens »

Arrath wrote: post #194
memish wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Twitter/X has a productive approach with Community Notes. Scam ads get noted.

I'm afraid Community Notes is on borrowed time, considering Musk's incensed reactions to getting noted lately.

Perhaps but surely it's a small change for them to "whitelist" accounts for exemption from community notes.

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Post by alexjm »

holoduke wrote: post #116
wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

time to go back to BBS. text only. New protocol. Completely outside of www.

BBS, Gopher, Usenet, and friends are all still there - no need to invent a new protocol.

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Post by squarefoot »

holoduke wrote: post #116
wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

time to go back to BBS. text only. New protocol. Completely outside of www.

Usenet was the solution: ads were not accepted there precisely not to turn it into the crap that web has become much later, but some big names decided to destroy it, and as of 2023 they mostly succeeded. The protocol is free, although it would likely need a significant overhaul to make it more robust, secure and censorship proof, possibly by introducing delivery through distributed encrypted p2p.

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Post by A_Venom_Roll »

randomdata wrote: post #119
labrador wrote: post #84

Believe it or not, there is a high brow Facebook where this is not a problem. I spend a lot of time on FB with my older friends where literature, film, poetry and science are topics and never see fake stuff. It's called out. That said, I can believe it's a problem on low brow Facebook, I just haven't seen it.

I have seen it. Nobody I know posts on Facebook anymore, so when Facebook is desperately trying to find content to fill the feed it turns to whatever it can come up with from random accounts. The apparent active group of friends you have is no doubt why you haven't seen it. That activity gives Facebook something to work with.

I never thought about it like that, but it definitely makes sense now. I open my FB account only once every two weeks or so now, and there is so much uninteresting clickbaity stuff from random accounts that it never takes me more than 30 seconds.

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Post by arp242 »

darkerside wrote: post #217
Syonyk wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It certainly sounds like it's doing that. Though if you're an expert in a subject you ask it about, you can see when it transitions from "knowledge of the subject" to "Your uncle who made a living hustling pool and can tell a story made of nothing but whoppers of lies, sounding like the most honest person you've ever met." It's reasonable to assume it does the same thing over subjects you know less about.

Which also happens with tons of user generated content on the Internet, case in point, this thread

But with user generated content like this thread other people can criticize each other and discuss things. If someone is spectacularly wrong then chances are that will be pointed out.

ChatGPT is essentially an echo chamber between you and ChatGPT.

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Post by A_Venom_Roll »

adriand wrote: post #172

To be somewhat contrarian, I'm not sure I see the problem here. From the platform perspective, this is just a faster way to generate the same crap that's been on these sites for years, with less risk of copyright claims and associated take-down notices. From the perspective of artists, I think whether or not there's a problem has a lot to do with how much artists have decided to centre their efforts around social med…

I think that part of the appreciation that we have for content, is the amount of effort put in it, even when the result is similar. I don't think a lot of people would visit a museum if they knew upfront that 90% of the art was low effort stuff, generated by AI. A chess tournament with human players will be more interesting to visitors than a tournament with a bunch of chess bots playing each other. Interacting with bots on HN wouldn't be fun at all if you knew they were bots, even when they are indistinguishable from real humans.

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Post by lawlessone »

shp0ngle wrote: post #50

> unaware boomers click “like,” “share,” and say things like “wow, incredible,” all day every day. I laughed at this

Looking at all the comments congratulating them for their woodwork it seems largely accurate :(

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Post by saulpw »

goles wrote: post #2

While this may be a particularly dangerous way of thinking[1], it might be good that everything on the internet is becoming obviously fake, AI-generated junk. So that peoples attitude toward things that are real or borderline but are manipulated by bad actors, whatever their motivations may be, also lose some of their influence over the public. And (hopefully) the public becomes more skeptical about everything on the…

That's definitely happening for some people, like yourself and others here on HN, but it's also pretty clear that there is a large % of people, whether MAGA or older or dumber or less educated or something else, who aren't ever going to figure it out. All the science and expertise and logical arguments and appeals to sensibility do not matter, and this has become readily apparent over the past 5-10 years. So while it might feel good to hope that there is a silver lining, it's just wishful thinking. Let's not accelerate towards a mirage.
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