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Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by TrackerFF »

werdnapk wrote: post #70

I'm seeing AI-gen images of obviously (to me) bad nature themed images that sooo many people think are legit and make comments like "Nature is beautiful", "Amazing", "Proof of God", etc. These images don't even need to be stolen... they're just so easy to generate and then posted for clicks.

90% of those users are probably bots

I saw one movie group that was spamming the 103rd birthday of Kirk Douglass, this year. 30k comments and 250k likes.

Endless congratulations, without anyone pointing out that Kirk, unfortunately, passed away 3 years ago. He'd turn 107 if he was still alive.

The dead internet theory doesn't sound too outlandish now.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by nestes »

philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

I'm not even sure you need to invoke AI for saturation of the web, at least for things that don't have to do with current events -- our collective archives just keep getting bigger and bigger.

This may be a bit tangential, but something like 1/8th of surviving classical Greek literature (1000 years!) is attributed in part to Galen. While he was quite prolific, the point is that the entire corpus is extremely small.

We didn't even have the capability to record audio and video until the early 1900s, and certainly not in a mass, centralized, easily-distributable sense until the internet. Having a million monkeys write Shakespeare is pure happenstance, but having a million Shakespeares is inevitable. I abstractly worry that even besides the junk, there will actually be so much PHENOMENALLY GOOD stuff that would-be creators and artisans will be discouraged instead of inspired.

Let's hope that you're right about the real carvings. That at least is not so scalable.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by unshavedyak »

katbyte wrote: post #137
unshavedyak wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they tho? As long as the ads pay, they win. Plus if people don't leave, and instead switch to the massively overpriced $15/m (or w/e) subscription, they make out even better. Google wins as long as the viewers don't leave.

> the massively overpriced $15/m why do you consider this massively overpriced? 55% of it i believe goes to content creators and they make more from a subscription watch then an ad supported watch.

> why do you consider this massively overpriced?

Because i struggle to imagine the ads i watch would amount to $15/m. So it feels like significant markup.

A flat rate seems either upcharging, or subsidizing. Neither feel good as a consumer.

I rather (and have) quit than pay them $15/m for a handful of ads. They started fighting a month back or w/e and i just stopped watching them for ~2 weeks. When i tried later, the "problem" was gone lol. Not sure what happened.

I'd much rather pay for a platform that gives money to creators more directly. I pay for a fair share of things on Patreon, for example.

edit: I should note, my assumptions on price are based on how little ad views net in value.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by notabee »

CSMastermind wrote: post #95
philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

IMO one of the main things ChatGPT offers is the ability to interact with the knowledge of the internet without wading through ads and SEO spam.

For now. How long do you think it'll really take before it's also pitching you products? We might have a golden period, kind of like when streaming and Netflix first arrived, but that will surely give way to enshittification and ads.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by brvsft »

int_19h wrote: post #190
brvsft wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just more pearl-clutching about AI. The images are mimicking several original images of a person with some artwork they made. The 'stolen' images are of a very similar form, but with changes to the person and the artwork. Presumably, they make fake versions of the images to gain clout on FB or elsewhere without having to credit the original artist. While it is ethically dubious, I don't really care. The pearl-clutchi…

According to the article, they're using img2img to make those. That's very clearly a derived work regardless of your stance on AI art in general.

What did I say that makes you think what you said is contrary to my own comment?

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by Beijinger »

philomath_mn wrote: post #15

I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster. If AI can dream up a million impressive wood carvings, it seems like the real carving I saw in person is the only one that is actually interesting.

"I wonder if we will get to a point where the web is so saturated with this junk that the web itself starts to lose its luster."

Why should it? 50% of IP traffic is caused by robots, maybe in the future 99% will be. Robot shit viewed by AI robots, SISO. Shit in, shit out.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by RGamma »

dpflan wrote: post #34
MrDarcy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We blew past that point around 2015.

Can you provide details of this watershed date?

From my memory around that time (2014-2016), smartphones went big and became easy to use such that the dumber half of the population now also had access, platformication intensified, and the human scale social norms that held most of the web together were displaced by noise and oblivion by way of engagement maximization. It's also the time I got rid of Reddit and FB (though FB was only ever chat bridged to weechat for me) for good.

Also, algorithmic feeds, "influencers" and "content".

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by rchaud »

I signed into Instagram for the first time in many months; it was unbelievable how many of ads are using AI images of celebrities and politicians. One was of the comedian/TV host Howie Mandel being led away in handcuffs for who knows what.

It's as if Facebook saw what Taboola and Outbrain were doing with their 'one weird trick' style ads, and decided they needed a piece of that themselves.

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by netsharc »

jvolkman wrote: post #120
miah_ wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

YouTube offers an ad-free service. (yes, I know content providers can still embed their own promotions into their videos).

Interesting incentives. Watch scam ads, use an ad blocker (no longer allowed), or pay Google to go ad-free.

Looks like Google benefits by allowing scammy ads...

Re: Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That People Think Are Real

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Post by rchaud »

miah_ wrote: post #53
wharvle wrote: post #33

And 100% of my YouTube ads are scams the last few weeks, many with deepfake fuckery going on. This whole side of the Web needs to be put down. The algo-feed ad-clearinghouse side. It’s a cesspit.

This right here is why we adblock. Google needs to wake up and do something if they really want to stop people from using adblocks on Youtube, or their other properties.

This goes beyond adblock; Google/FB can/have easily overridden that. What we need is regulation, like there is for TV, radio and magazines.
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