Live data from Hacker News

IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

extremetech.com

41–50 of 85 posts

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#41

"Today, with graphene and carbon nanotubes and fancy membranes coming out of our ears" Made me shudder. One, for the violent imagery, two, for the trivialization of remarkable science and technology.

'coming out of our ears' is a colloquialism meaning roughly 'more than we know what to do with'.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#42
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NASCAR fans are not very happy with "fuel mileage" races, and I would imagine what you describe would be far worse. // also not very fond of people who say we watch for the wrecks

But wouldn't it catch on if they actually thought they could help their favorite driver win? Seems like an idea like that could be revolutionary.

As organic_code pointed out, blinding the drivers is a real possibility. Also, races are fairly long and holding a mirror up for two or three hours doesn't sound like a lot of fun. New drivers in the sport have no chance of winning (see last years Daytona 500). Never mind the problem track owners will have selling concessions to a group of people who cannot eat / drink for most of the race.

I want to watch a driver's skill, not the energy output of his / her fans.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#43
post #2

Sorry to be skeptical, but I can't help but think: Number of "battery breakthrough" news I heard in the last 15 years: >100, Actual battery breakthroughs: 0

To add weight to your skepticism the article states, "Eventually (in another 10 years or so), li-ion batteries could be replaced with li-air batteries." !0 years is a long time-frame.

10 years is not a long time frame for something like a new battery technology... it's surprisingly short, in fact.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#44
I think there's no question that the Li-Air battery is one of the most important, game changing technologies that we'll see in the next 10 (hopefully) years.

It changes everything. It's not just about better battery life on your MacBook. There are so many things held back right now by poor battery technology.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#45
post #31

So do these batteries still suffer from the same problem of permanent damage if completely discharged? That's the biggest thing that scares me away from buying a Tesla (well, that and the high price of Tesla Motors models).

It may be a theoretical problem, but there are very sophisticated mechanisms in place to prevent this from actually happening in practice with current li-ion batteries. There was a big scare about it with Tesla vehicles a while back that turned out to mostly be one blogger spreading unsubstantiated claims. It's true that if you keep driving an electric car until the car stops running, and then leave it for weeks or m…

And if you drive any recent diesel engine until you run out of gas, you will cause damage.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#47
post #20
post #3

This is slightly off topic but simply stated I just love IBM these days. There aren't many corporations that dedicate as much focus on research and yet, for a large corp. they also keep their nose surprisingly clean (these days). While we watch the swirling tech scandals ebb and flow they just quietly sit off to the side and keep changing the world.

This is more because of secrecy (and ignorance). Any company of such scale is engaged in hundreds patent disputes every year at least, maybe thousands, maybe tens of thousands, it really hard even to estimate. And this continues for decades. Those ten-twenty disputes that made to journals and blogs are in such small amount that they can be counted as statistical deviation and more of PR or anti-PR moves. Real patent…

Got any sources?

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#48
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running a thinkpad with an 8 hour (theoretical) maximum battery life. Actually it's like 5 or 6. But the model from a year or two years before that would have only gotten 1-2 hours battery life. So improvements are being made and we're seeing them. It's just slow going.

A lo of that improvement must also be from chips consuming less and more RAM resulting in no need for paging.

That's what really separates consumer electronics from cars: processing data requires (from a theoretical physics standpoint) a minuscule amount of energy, and there's a lot of room for improvement even with current technology.

Moving heavy things up hills or through air at high speeds requires a respectable amount of energy, and current technology is already within an order of magnitude or so to the theoretical peak efficiency.

Re: IBM creates breathing, high-density, light-weight lithium-air battery

#49
Another cool thing about this (aside from not needing to carry around it's own oxidizer) is that a car-sized pack would be small and light enough to make battery swapping a reality.

Li-Ion and older technologies make battery swapping hard because the pack is large and heavy enough that it really needs to be integrated into the vehicle chassis, which means that each model of vehicle—or at a minimum each class of vehicle—needs a different pack.

Something roughly the size and weight of a gas tank would be much easier to swap out and could probably come in only a few different sizes.

Another thing I'm wondering is if the battery could be simplified by "reprocessing" rather than recharging it. For instance, maybe the anode could be a big spool of lithium "tape" that is slowly unwound as it gets oxidized, with the spent lithium oxide wound around another spool. The whole thing could be mounted in a "cassette" that would be swapped out a reprocessing station, where it could be de-oxidized in a controlled environment and at a controlled rate using off-peak grid power.

Post reply on HN