The link to Marginalia in the "Explore" sidebar should be "marginalia.nu", unless this is some alternative Marginalia.
Thanks! Fixed
The "Cheap" Web
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
role="presentation" will remove it from the a11y tree! Easy fix. Most browsers will notice the characters in the element are not human readable and make some tweaks to make "heartheartheartheartheartheartheartheart" less likely though, even in the current version!
Thank you! I added it.
In case you're maybe interested, I wrote up a little thing about how I think of accessible interfaces and designing for them:
https://graypegg.com/2023/11/25/the-private-definition-of-ac...
Edit: decided to post it here, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38683774
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#33"Most websites should be compatible with screenreaders", and yet, the first line of text in the website is "♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡"; With the spoken form of: "Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart…
How should an interested personal web developer find how their website sounds through a screen reader?
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#34I agree that we need a new - less crufty - standard to replace HTML/CSS/JS but there's another point which I feel has been sorely missed in previous efforts. I want a FUN standard. I want to make cool looking sites that are relatively scalable based on user hardware. Alternatives like Gopher and Gemini never really scratched that itch due to how sterile they are.
The problem will always be that 'fun' rapidly develops complexity to support 'cool looking'.
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#35Reading through I got this:
- Cheap = a pain to read
Good and modern visual design exists explicitly to deliver information to a person in the most accessible way. If you show a Japanese website to someone who grew up in Ireland, they will be overwhelmed. Not catering to different cultures, like the website suggests - only makes it worse.
- Cheap = a lot of spam
Having low cost of equipment and almost unlimited anonymity, makes fighting against spamming or "enshittification" exponentially hard. Just ask anyone who bothered to run their own mail server or open forum board. It's just not feasible for us to be able to have a nice experience without a level of trust.
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#36"Most websites should be compatible with screenreaders", and yet, the first line of text in the website is "♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡♥♡"; With the spoken form of: "Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart Heart…
How should an interested personal web developer find how their website sounds through a screen reader?
Voice Over is insanely easy to work with, I recommend it to everyone I work with. I would say it takes maybe 20minutes to get a hang of the basic shortcuts and navigation modes.
I've been thinking about making a "VO for Web Devs" cheat sheet at some point, would that be a useful thing for you?
(Of course, I'm making assumptions about being in the apple garden.)
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#37I agree that we need a new - less crufty - standard to replace HTML/CSS/JS but there's another point which I feel has been sorely missed in previous efforts. I want a FUN standard. I want to make cool looking sites that are relatively scalable based on user hardware. Alternatives like Gopher and Gemini never really scratched that itch due to how sterile they are.
The problem you have is that by defining a "FUN" standard, you've probably created a basin of attraction [1] for what is basically the web today. It doesn't take much before you've basically let the ocean in.
There are clearly many points between Gopher/Gemini and the modern web... but I'm not sure any of them are stable. Between the difficulty of keeping out features in a principled manner in what will inevitably become a group effort and how easy it is to accidentally spec something that turns out to be a lot more complicated than you thought it was, you're pretty much working in a space where the Horrors of the Web are lurking just outside your door, and you'd be surprised which missteps will let them in.
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#38Very interesting, thanks for posting!
I am not sure if the way to go is a cheap web, small web, slow web, indie web, or maybe some combination of these attributes, but something about the current web feels off, mass produced and superficial.
The old sites created by people who did cool stuff just for the sake of doing it are so hard to find now. I miss them.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
How should an interested personal web developer find how their website sounds through a screen reader?
Voice Over is insanely easy to work with, I recommend it to everyone I work with. I would say it takes maybe 20minutes to get a hang of the basic shortcuts and navigation modes. I've been thinking about making a "VO for Web Devs" cheat sheet at some point, would that be a useful thing for you? (Of course, I'm making assumptions about being in the apple garden.)
Well, as it happens I'm not, but I imagine it would be useful for people in general, and I'll promise you an upvote on HN if I see it. :)
I imagine you can make a solid guide if you really focus it on the use case of "here's how to evaluate your site for this specific purpose".
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#40> If you are spending less than $1 per hour on your entertainment (podcasts, videos, articles, games, books, etc.), consider finding ways to support creators and the infrastructure that supports them. So I should send them extra money because I keep using it? I bought the discography of a band (0.2665 € / hour according to last.fm so far, obviously falling), should I now set up a monthly donation just because I keep…
If you get a lot of value from their music, you may want to support them via merch and concerts!
I've found that "$1 per hour" is simply a good starting point for figuring out which things in my life are worth supporting. Obviously, it may be different for other people :)