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Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#51

Thank fucking god. I am worried though that Figma will take the cancellation fee and start the layoffs to maximize it for an eventual IPO, and then blame the merger.

That’s a reasonable worry because that’s a reasonable path for the company to take, isn’t it?

Try to sell to the buyer who would maximize the return to company [shareholders]; when that falls through, take whatever the next best path for them is.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#52
post #13

Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

Except outlawing acquisitions by larger tech companies will absolutely reduce funding and incentives to start companies, and result in less products, less companies, and less competition.

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Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#53
post #13

Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

Except outlawing acquisitions by larger tech companies will absolutely reduce funding and incentives to start companies, and result in less products, less companies, and less competition.

If your only goal in founding a company is to get acquired, you haven't made a company; you've made a product, and probably not a profitable one.

We should be encouraging way more medium-sized companies, that operate sustainable business models, make money for their founders and employees, and aren't subsidized by cheap money. I think if startups actually had to sustain themselves we'd see a lot less grift and waste in VC.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of a for profit company is to provide a good or service and profit from doing so. You don’t need to be acquired to accomplish that.

> provide a good or service > profit from doing so Is the first actually a requirement? I can think of plenty of companies that do the second part well, but have nothing to do with the first one.

Yes? What company makes money without providing goods or services to someone?

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#55
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Figma is VC-funded. Now that they’re not going to be part of Adobe, they’ll just more slowly turn into another Adobe because the investors want the exit. Prices will creep up, product segmentation will be introduced, pop-ups pushing expensive service add-ons will eventually appear. And when the revenue number is pumped enough, it goes public or is sold to private equity which has no trouble with antitrust regulators.

> Prices will creep up, product segmentation will be introduced, pop-ups pushing expensive service add-ons will eventually appear

Have you used Figma lately? All of those things have been happening for years with Figma, even before rumors about the Adobe purchase appeared.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The purpose of a for profit company is to provide a good or service and profit from doing so. You don’t need to be acquired to accomplish that.

> provide a good or service > profit from doing so Is the first actually a requirement? I can think of plenty of companies that do the second part well, but have nothing to do with the first one.

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Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#57

It looks like regulators are actually doing their job. I would love to see more of this, along with breaking up companies that have gotten too big for their britches.

The entire purpose of starting a company is to get acquired. Of the literally hundreds of companies that YC has invested in, only 5 have gone public. The VC market will dry up even more if they see their chances of an exit diminishing because of an overzealous government.

> The entire purpose of starting a company is to get acquired

The entire purpose of starting a company is to make a profit by delivering a product or service that the market will willingly buy. The operative word there is "profit" -- something that seems to have going conspicuously missing from companies that are being built for the purpose of being "exited".

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#58
post #13

Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

Except outlawing acquisitions by larger tech companies will absolutely reduce funding and incentives to start companies, and result in less products, less companies, and less competition.

I think it's fine if no one starts vampiric companies that dump free services on the public destroying the perceived value of software for the purpose of a fast unicorn exit. Of course, these companies always look to advertising for funding so they are obtrusive.

Unless you are thinking of real companies that would be affected by this ban? Retail stores don't care about this ban. Companies that sell real products wouldn't care. If they sell real software services and plan to turn a positive profit rather than exit this wouldn't impact anyone other than unicorn chasers, which are bad for everyone.

Re: Figma and Adobe abandon proposed merger

#60
post #13

Excellent news. I think there should be more products, more companies, and more competition. Adobe just buying up it's competition will only ever directly hurt consumers. See also, "Adobe says the FTC is looking into its subscription cancellation practices." https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003532/adobe-says-the-...

Except outlawing acquisitions by larger tech companies will absolutely reduce funding and incentives to start companies, and result in less products, less companies, and less competition.

Acquisitions also reduce competition. If competition only exists to be acquired you are only funding an ever-growing oligopoly, the more acquisitions into the oligopoly the more power they have, diminishing the number of available markets to compete in (since one of the oligopolistic companies will certainly have more capital than a newcomer).

Anti-trust is not a new thing, it's even considered a foundational aspect of competitive capitalism by some thinkers...

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