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Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by HTMIOA »

attqqq wrote: post #21
HTMIOA wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No camera evidence, I just realized what is going on and bolted. Once in the hotel, once through bribed security guards. Apparently they thried to get me while I sleep. 5 months, unlikely, that's what everyone says. These people are not common criminals, patience and caution are their hallmarks, they just don't want any witness and thus the police being involved, just waiting for the opportunity. They are proffesiona…

If there is no tangible evidence of this you can legitimately point to and hand the police, then there is no thing indicating it exists outside of your own head (delusion). How do you know guards are bribed, your devices are hacked? Robocalls and rando messages on Skype are a dime a dozen, but if they’re incriminating threats, take it to police. Do not rely on your own instinct or intuition to make deductions about r…

If I got 10 friends to alternatively follow you every day, and you would notice that, would it still be in your own head? There were reasons I had been followed, at that was they thought I would run, because I already did before, but had been found.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by max_ »

HTMIOA wrote: post #30
wruza wrote: post #29

If I give up and give them the money, they will kill me to erase the trace and the threat, in case I changed my mind later. High-scale ransomware, drug dealers, etc aren’t afraid of receiving BTC. But these guys for some reason are, and the only way out of it is to add murder on top of it? That’s absurd. Also, if all your devices were hacked, wouldn’t they already have at least read-access to everything? Did your fri…

The criminals you mention are anonymous, or operate within own kind. Because I had been followed and stalked, I had seen these people, and because they are so careful not to leave a trace or provide the evidence, I pressume they will kill me if they get what they want, to erase the threat. Yes, they had read access to everything, emails, data, and that includes my wallet address, but not the keys.

Cash out your crypto in a way that they would know you cashing it all and buy some real estate.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by runjake »

HTMIOA wrote: post #31
attqqq wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there is no tangible evidence of this you can legitimately point to and hand the police, then there is no thing indicating it exists outside of your own head (delusion). How do you know guards are bribed, your devices are hacked? Robocalls and rando messages on Skype are a dime a dozen, but if they’re incriminating threats, take it to police. Do not rely on your own instinct or intuition to make deductions about r…

If I got 10 friends to alternatively follow you every day, and you would notice that, would it still be in your own head? There were reasons I had been followed, at that was they thought I would run, because I already did before, but had been found.

Again, where is the external evidence, outside of your own head?

Feeling convinced you're being followed/watched is a classic symptom of paranoid schizophrenia.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by psychosomatica »

I've been in a similar situation. A healthcare executive i did some personal consulting leaked a fairly generous amount of information on me after i cut him and his son off. I've been followed by ex-police and have had more than a few specific events trigger some paranoia/fear but after several uneventful run-ins I saw it for what it was. Intimidation without teeth. It's a two party problem. Both want to protect their own interests more than they want to cause me harm. One of the thing that kept me motivated was the knowledge that the continued secrecy around the tools being employed on me as being more valuable/important than any contract/hit placed on me. My appearance of coolness or calmness in day-to-day life threatens the man that tried to undo me and there is nothing more he can do without further risking his situation. He knows less than the people he set on me and nothing of what I have collected on him/them since. Learn to find joy/peace antagonizing your real or imagined enemies.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by readyplayernull »

Leave all your electronics at home, take a train to another country in the EU, buy a new device and setup a new email, stay in an international airport, buy a plane ticket using the new email with destination to South America, sleep in the airport until you take that flight, rent an apartment in South America, let us know how it goes.

Worst thing that can happen: you are a turist, enjoy your trip, find new places.

Best thing that can happen: you write a book about this adventure.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by readyplayernull »

readyplayernull wrote: post #35

Leave all your electronics at home, take a train to another country in the EU, buy a new device and setup a new email, stay in an international airport, buy a plane ticket using the new email with destination to South America, sleep in the airport until you take that flight, rent an apartment in South America, let us know how it goes. Worst thing that can happen: you are a turist, enjoy your trip, find new places. Be…

Option 2: Get a small job at government, police or some large company with cybersecurity division that provides a computer, do an "oopsie" letting them hack your work computer, let the security department deal with them:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/how-m...

That reminded me of this time when a stalker was bothering my wife, and I didn't want to waste time with the police. This was on the early days of Microsoft's Hotmail, and I got access to some political journalists accounts. Wrote a fake email between them including the stalker's phone number. Never heard of him after that same day.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Post by bruce511 »

There are several possible logic paths here. All have the same outcome.

A) assume your issue is real. Proceed to step 5.

B) assume your issue is not real, but the result of a mental illness. Proceed to step 3.

C) assume its neither, proceed to step 6.

3) you cannot logic yourself out of a mental illness anymore than you can logic yourself into it. You can aquire a therapist (proceed to step 4) or not (proceed to step 5)

4) the therapist agrees your threat is real. Proceed to step 5. You therapist agrees your threat is the result of a disease, proceed to step 6.

5) since you are been followed by a gang, with infinite resources, who believe you have infinite money, and who can reach you anywhere in the world, your best approach is acceptance.

one of two things will happen. They will eventually act, or they won't. There's no point trying to avoid it. There's no point caring about who they bribed. Accept that you can't stop it. You have neither the resources, nor skills to prevent it.

6) Accept it. Embrace it. Don't worry about it. What will be will be.

If you are unable to do this, proceed to step 7. If you are able, proceed to step 8.

7) you may not have full mental control of your emotions and responses. (Who of us do?) Seek a therapist to help with this deficiency. Or take up other spiritual disciplines that help you gain this control.

8) Accept there are things in your life that are beyond your control. You might die tomorrow in a car crash. You might live another 50 years. Ce la vie. None of us knows what tomorrow may bring.

Embrace the now. Embrace those around you who care for you. Live your best life. To those who have wronged you, remember Living Well is the best revenge.

help others. We all have problems. You are perfectly positioned to help someone else. Encourage them. Uplift them. Make someone's else's day just a little bit better. All you have left to offer is your light. Make the decision to spread it around.

I wish you well in your journey, whatever the cause, whatever the outcome. I hope you find the peace that comes with the acceptance that we are not in control. May the joy, of bringing joy to others, find you too.

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