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I think people also forget that before January 6th we literally had: * Separatist movements from Antifa and the Left set up autonomous zones within US cities[1]. * Multiple calls for violence from prominent Democrats and other Leftists towards Republican politicians, judges, and a sitting US President [2] * Billions of damage and looting by Antifa and BLM [3] * Multiple Antifa and BLM attacks on Federal buildings, in…
It's one thing when some local agitators stir up shit and torch a Starbucks or whatever. It's another thing entirely when the President does it. (Which I'm sure you'd be braying from the hilltops, had the President in question been named Clinton or Biden or Obama.)
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#62Right now incentives are misaligned. Politicians have no incentive to be responsible with the money. Time to implement Warren Buffett's proposal: passing a law that says anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election. This would realign incentives - politicians who seek power will need to be fiscally responsible to attain it.
Why do people think that running the country like how Elon has tired to run Twitter is a good idea?
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> It was neither particularly violent Wow. I know perhaps this makes sense from a non-American perspective, but as an American, January 6 was incredibly violent. I think some people forget that this isn't normal .
How many people were killed or injured?
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Why would you consider January 6 protests to be the turning point specifically? It was neither particularly violent nor a first regarding violation of norms. There was no attempt at rallying armed forces in a coup d’etat. Could just as well consider something like the Tea Party circa 2010 a turning point in separatism. For the modern era, at least.
I think people also forget that before January 6th we literally had: * Separatist movements from Antifa and the Left set up autonomous zones within US cities[1]. * Multiple calls for violence from prominent Democrats and other Leftists towards Republican politicians, judges, and a sitting US President [2] * Billions of damage and looting by Antifa and BLM [3] * Multiple Antifa and BLM attacks on Federal buildings, in…
The gentleman doeth protest too much. The Whataboutisn here is the ridiculous talking points the right wing has had to instill fear & terror in their base. Telling a people they are under attack, that their way of life is in danger, that the cities are all burning & awful: that's propaganda, fear to get folks afraid and concerned and glued to the TV. As known bad guy stated, "All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Some of these protests & situations have been tense & ugly & unruly; yes. Their cost wasn't nothing. But there's just so little to fear here. These were mild inconveniences in any broad scope. More generally the false equivalence at large here doesn't sit right with me at all, seems wild. The decorum on the right has severely degraded, to where the party can't even whip itself. The presence of violent & extremist rhetoric is shockingly prevalent & ongoing, from a wide cross section of elected & nominated people. It's inconceivable to imagine a threat from the left now, to see a cycle where the left is broadly working themselves up towards a crisis point. There is no left threat. We've already experienced a major attack from the right & many seem to be campaigning on a platform of only further extremism.
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One Union boy died, unfortunately, but we gave better than we got! The people who were shot were killed to defend the capitol and were given ample warning. Ashley Babbitt, for instance, was trying to break down a door.
How did he die? There was only one person shot.
I love how when I ask that same question, people like asdfgionio [1] obviously do a quick search and find (contrary to what they were told immediately afterwards) that no Capitol police was, in fact, killed during the riot. They either shut up or try to double down. I then point to Officer Sicknick's autopsy results and that usually gets them to shut up.
[1] Who I can only describe, based on his comment, as a Union Army LARPer; "We", indeed. (Actual war reenactors go to great lengths to get the uniforms, gear, and battles right; I doubt asdfgionio has ever seen a battlefield not published by EA.) I've seen several other such instances, of Redditors and such bravely proclaiming how "they" will lead another Sherman's march through states that commit the unpardonable sin of voting for the wrong candidate.
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> It was neither particularly violent Wow. I know perhaps this makes sense from a non-American perspective, but as an American, January 6 was incredibly violent. I think some people forget that this isn't normal .
I am an American and I don’t think it was particularly violet. There were 4 deaths. Not 400 or 40 (not like I wanted there to be more). But pearl clutching over some people protesting where they shouldn’t have when Congress wasn’t in session is just silly.
There was one death. One. An unarmed rioter named Ashly Babbit who was shot by Capitol Police well after the riot's start.
One Capitol Police member, Officer Sicknick, died of a stroke the day afterwards, but the coroner specifically looked for signs of his either being hit on the head, or exposed to tear gas, as causes, and concluded that neither was true.
Had Capitol Police as a whole done their job and used their training and weapons to stop the invaders in the first place, a great deal of trouble would have been avoided while more rioters would have been shot (which I have no problem with). Why they did not do their job is something that I trust will be answered one day.
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How did he die? There was only one person shot.
>How did he die? I love how when I ask that same question, people like asdfgionio [1] obviously do a quick search and find (contrary to what they were told immediately afterwards) that no Capitol police was, in fact, killed during the riot. They either shut up or try to double down. I then point to Officer Sicknick's autopsy results and that usually gets them to shut up. [1] Who I can only describe, based on his comm…
I was curious about it too because as far as I knew nobody else died from it besides the woman who was shot by capitol police. Every time I think I'm about to learn something new about J6 I don't.
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>How did he die? I love how when I ask that same question, people like asdfgionio [1] obviously do a quick search and find (contrary to what they were told immediately afterwards) that no Capitol police was, in fact, killed during the riot. They either shut up or try to double down. I then point to Officer Sicknick's autopsy results and that usually gets them to shut up. [1] Who I can only describe, based on his comm…
Oh that's what that was, a reference to the civil war? I was wondering what he was talking about, "union guy". Man, these guys really live in a different world than the rest of us. I was curious about it too because as far as I knew nobody else died from it besides the woman who was shot by capitol police. Every time I think I'm about to learn something new about J6 I don't.
Sicknick's death by stroke the day after the riot was widely attributed to some injury from the incident, despite his having told his family that he had not been injured in the first place. That's why he received the equivalent of a state funeral. That's also why the coroner specifically looked for evidence of trauma causing the stroke, either from a head injury or exposure to tear gas, and specifically ruled out both possibilities in his report. But this still doesn't prevent the gullible from prattling on about how "many" policemen were killed, or that the ravenous mob of rioters were armed with everything but a tactical nuke.
(I think this is also why we haven't yet seen a breathless best-selling account of "The Day Trump Tried to Overthrow the Government", or a Netflix docudrama. Any such work with a pretense of accuracy would have to depict, well, not much beyond 150 idiots invading a public space, refusing to obey Capitol Police's orders, and causing some mayhem until one unarmed rioter is finally shot after an inexplicable delay. No grenades/pipe bombs being detonated, no politicians being lynched, no policemen being fatally beaten by a mob.)
As I wrote elsewhere:
> Had Capitol Police as a whole done their job and used their training and weapons to stop the invaders in the first place, a great deal of trouble would have been avoided while more rioters would have been shot (which I have no problem with). Why they did not do their job is something that I trust will be answered one day.
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And yet the BLM “peaceful protests” that burned and looted parts of well over a dozen major cities is considered perfectly acceptable. Both of them were ultimately political protests and yet everyone seems to have forgotten about the actually violent one.
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Give me a break.
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OK, now we see just how rational your justification for your position is. Terrorists? It's like when MAGA people call Democrats child molester demon worshippers. Are you even interested in genuine discourse at all?