0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
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Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#2It's hard to say whether it's even the same article at this point.
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#3Was this done deliberately by the editors? (If that is addressed in Twitter comments, that is not visible.)
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#4Was this done deliberately by the editors? (If that is addressed in Twitter comments, that is not visible.)
Unlikely. I'm counting 1816 revisions since the article was created 15 July 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ship_of_Theseus&a...
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#5Was this done deliberately by the editors? (If that is addressed in Twitter comments, that is not visible.)
Unlikely. I'm counting 1816 revisions since the article was created 15 July 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ship_of_Theseus&a...
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003
TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settle into the writing style that's now characteristic of the site.
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlikely. I'm counting 1816 revisions since the article was created 15 July 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ship_of_Theseus&a...
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003 TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settl…
I feel like the overall description from 2003 better explains the concept than the current article:
> According to an ancient Greek legend, Theseus had a warship that was preserved as a historical relic by the Athenians. Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced. After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present. Philosophers could then debate whether it was the same ship that Theseus had used, and if not, when it had ceased to be so.
versus the current version:
> The Ship of Theseus is a thought experiment about whether an object which has had all of its original components replaced remains the same object. In Greek mythology, Theseus, the mythical Greek founder-king of Athens, rescued the children of Athens from King Minos after slaying the minotaur and then escaped onto a ship going to Delos. Each year, the Athenians commemorated this by taking the ship on a pilgrimage to Delos to honor Apollo. A question was raised by ancient philosophers: After several centuries of maintenance, if each individual part of the Ship of Theseus was replaced, one at a time, was it still the same ship?
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unlikely. I'm counting 1816 revisions since the article was created 15 July 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ship_of_Theseus&a...
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003 TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settl…
This is a problem with the Ship of Theseus thought experiment as well. When did the Ship of Theseus become a "ship"? With that being nebulous it becomes even stranger to discuss whether switching out parts compromises its personal identity.
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003 TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settl…
I feel like the overall description from 2003 better explains the concept than the current article: > According to an ancient Greek legend, Theseus had a warship that was preserved as a historical relic by the Athenians. Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced. After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present. Philosophers could then debate whether…
Perhaps you should put some parts of the original article back!
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#9Now its time to add a new article to Wikipedia with those original phrases and words rearranged to talk about something totally different, and then debate which one is the real Ship of Theseus article.
Re: 0% of the phrases of the original Wikipedia "Ship of Theseus" article remain
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the first version was pretty rough. It was only a couple of sentences long, and included a bizarre, irrelevant tangent ("a modern embellishment"). It's no surprise that every part of that has long since been replaced. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Permalink/1154003 TBH, the same is probably true of most Wikipedia articles which were created early in the site's history. It took a while for editors to settl…
I feel like the overall description from 2003 better explains the concept than the current article: > According to an ancient Greek legend, Theseus had a warship that was preserved as a historical relic by the Athenians. Some of its boards rotted and had to be replaced. After many, many years, many such replacements occurred. Eventually, none of the original boards were present. Philosophers could then debate whether…
Creating opportunities for tangential article links is not the issue it once was at Wikipedia, but it still definitely impacts readability.