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Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by chrisco255 »

bsder wrote: post #27
ronnier wrote: post #6

> The Man in Black grew up in Dyess, Arkansas, in a community of poor farmers working government land. Similar. I grew up in Arkansas for 6 years of my childhood working on a turkey farm until I was 11~. Hard work ,7 days a week for 6 years working with turkeys and cattle. Something is lost today by most kids being removed from hard work, I think. Defiantly brings a different perspective going from that to working in…

> Something is lost today by most kids being removed from hard work, I think. I'm not sure I agree. The work was hard and you didn't get anywhere . You worked the farm, the mill, the mine, etc. just like your father did and his father did. You didn't get rich. You didn't even get comfortable. You were still poor, and your children were going to remain poor. The window where labor unions made mill, mine, and factory j…

> The window where labor unions made mill, mine, and factory jobs something livable was quite short--1960 to 1980, roughly.

I'm sorry, what? What do you think 2023 mills, mines, and factories look like in the United States?

Here's a tour of a wheat mill: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYP6AnNQjNo

Here's a modern coal mine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwo3slH1wsk

And here's a modern factory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr9kK0_7x08

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by jzb »

tshirthoodie wrote: post #20
6stringmerc wrote: post #18

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> the ongoing legacy of “I will do this no matter what” and being exploited If you're willing to do it no matter what, you're begging to be exploited. That's the entire history of the labor movement in a sentence.

Vulnerable. Not begging, vulnerable. This is prime blaming the victim. People who have an innate drive to make music or art are vulnerable to be exploited, but place the blame where it belongs: on those who would exploit them.

Most humans enjoy music and art. We want it to exist. It makes life better. We shouldn't be looking down on those who want to supply it.

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by itronitron »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #11
ronnier wrote: post #6

> The Man in Black grew up in Dyess, Arkansas, in a community of poor farmers working government land. Similar. I grew up in Arkansas for 6 years of my childhood working on a turkey farm until I was 11~. Hard work ,7 days a week for 6 years working with turkeys and cattle. Something is lost today by most kids being removed from hard work, I think. Defiantly brings a different perspective going from that to working in…

My mom grew up in Appalachia, in the same time as Johnny Cash, dirt farmers in a "holler". No indoor electric, plumbing, or phone. Wood stove cooking and heat. A spring house for water. Baths every Saturday night. Their livelihood was completely dependant on growing food and lumber. I find it unimaginable. Technically I know how it worked, but it's completely alien. In one generation.

My father had a similar childhood. Grew up in a 3 bedroom cabin that his father built, shared a bedroom with his 3 brothers, and spent a lot of his childhood running around the woods with a rifle and trapping animals to sell furs. Despite having a very successful career, he refers to this time in his life as 'when we were wealthy'.

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by itronitron »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #19
ronnier wrote: post #6

> The Man in Black grew up in Dyess, Arkansas, in a community of poor farmers working government land. Similar. I grew up in Arkansas for 6 years of my childhood working on a turkey farm until I was 11~. Hard work ,7 days a week for 6 years working with turkeys and cattle. Something is lost today by most kids being removed from hard work, I think. Defiantly brings a different perspective going from that to working in…

the children yearn for the mines

hence the popularity of minecraft?

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by itronitron »

ronnier wrote: post #17
ttymck wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what is lost? What is the difference in perspective?

What was lost was hard work ethic and the perspective of how good life is now, respect for others, and we've gained some arrogance from never having to suffer. I had an odd life, I lived in the projects as a child until I was sent to my grandfathers farm for 6~ years, and after that, back to the violent city I had originally lived in. I was at a huge disadvantage compared to my peers but from the hard word I was subj…

I don't think it's hard work that has been lost but rather a connection to 'direct results' which are notably lacking from a lot of jobs.

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by dang »

thewildginger wrote: post #16
Solvency wrote: post #10

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Take a deep breath. The US endowment for the arts wrote this article to preserve the history of a person who impacted the arts in the US. No one is worshipping him. He had known problems, took criticism for it and it is a known fact by those who enjoy his music. No one is here to dismiss the damage he caused to the condor population. I do question why you wanted to bring this up though. While it is interesting and im…

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by bequanna »

jzb wrote: post #32
tshirthoodie wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the ongoing legacy of “I will do this no matter what” and being exploited If you're willing to do it no matter what, you're begging to be exploited. That's the entire history of the labor movement in a sentence.

Vulnerable. Not begging, vulnerable. This is prime blaming the victim. People who have an innate drive to make music or art are vulnerable to be exploited, but place the blame where it belongs: on those who would exploit them. Most humans enjoy music and art. We want it to exist. It makes life better. We shouldn't be looking down on those who want to supply it.

> People who have an innate drive to make music or art are vulnerable to be exploited, but place the blame where it belongs: on those who would exploit them.

I don’t understand this.

Why are only people who make music or art special in this regard?

If I am someone who enjoys Software Engineering, am I also ripe to be exploited? If not, please explain.

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by bequanna »

zakary wrote: post #24
tshirthoodie wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the ongoing legacy of “I will do this no matter what” and being exploited If you're willing to do it no matter what, you're begging to be exploited. That's the entire history of the labor movement in a sentence.

If you’re only sellable skill is making music, and you have to put food on the table, that isn’t begging to be exploited; it’s grit

It simply seems like supply and demand to me.

There many, many people trying to be successful in arts and entertainment.

Why would someone overpay for something that may be seen as a commodity because of the overwhelming supply?

Re: Where Johnny Cash came from

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Post by diob »

jdewerd wrote: post #25
ronnier wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was lost was hard work ethic and the perspective of how good life is now, respect for others, and we've gained some arrogance from never having to suffer. I had an odd life, I lived in the projects as a child until I was sent to my grandfathers farm for 6~ years, and after that, back to the violent city I had originally lived in. I was at a huge disadvantage compared to my peers but from the hard word I was subj…

My parents infected me with the same disease -- an intense conviction in the nobility and virtue of individual hard work -- and it led me to a terrible place, the physical sciences, where I received a harsh lesson in the nature of capitalism. It's not about creating value, it's about capturing value. In a low-leverage situation, when everyone works hard you are simply paid less. Surplus is captured through ownership…

Thank god, I'm also well off and work hard. But I know plenty who work hard and aren't. Luck is a big factor.
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