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The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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Do you have any sort of data to support this, particularly the second claim? It seems particularly absurd to me.

The comments are the data? I'm not really sure what your asking for.

Well I suppose you're making your own point.

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Driving brings out the worst in people. You're all trying to get somewhere, you're all a danger to one another, and, critically, you can't see faces well. So, you end up receiving offenses against you as if they're personal (because you're you!) but commit offenses as if they're impersonal (because others look like cars, not human beings). Would you rudely shove youself in front of someone at the market to get the ne…

Yes and the others specifically look like large and aggressively styled combatants. The aesthetic of the automobile and the embodiment of that automobiles essence clearly has an influence within the sensitive and suggestible human experience. Design drives behavior.

Trump Fans Harass Biden Bus in Texas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWjK_Eu8uME

The FBI is investigating an incident of alleged harassment by Trump supporters of a Biden campaign bus in Texas, the Texas Tribune reported, citing a local law enforcement official.

The campaign bus was en route from San Antonio to Austin on Interstate 35 on Friday when a caravan of vehicles with Trump signs and flags veered close to the bus and yelled profanities.

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his running mate, Senator Kamala Harris, were not on the bus and no one was hurt, although local law enforcement was called to help the bus get to its destination. The campaign scrapped an event scheduled in Austin for Friday after the incident.

President Donald Trump tweeted a video of the incident on Saturday night with the comment, “I LOVE TEXAS,” and briefly mentioned it during a campaign rally in Michigan on Sunday.

Tariq Thowfeek, Texas communications director for the Biden campaign, said the Trump fans “decided to put our staff, surrogates, supporters, and others in harm’s way” rather to engage in a conversation about the candidates’ different visions.

Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, said Sunday she hadn’t seen the whole video and couldn’t comment on the part where one of the cars appears to almost crash into the bus.

“Certainly we don’t want harm and we shouldn’t be hurting other people. The president would not endorse that,” McDaniel said on CBS’s “Face the Nation.”

The White House and Trump campaign didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Donald Trump Jr, the president’s son, appeared in a video on Twitter last week encouraging supporters of the president to show up for one of Harris’s events in Texas.

“It’d be great if you guys would all get together, head down to McAllen and give Kamala Harris a nice Trump Train welcome,” Trump Jr said.

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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Given that he's married to an immigrant, I highly doubt he said that.

I mean, you can just look this stuff up; it’s not like what ol’ Mini-Hands says at campaign rallies is secret or anything: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... What you have to remember is that he’s not, you know, a smart guy. And the base he’s appealing to with this stuff are also generally, well, probably not in the running for any Nobel prizes.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098439

He was talking about illegal immigrants. You can disagree with that of course, but why leave that out?

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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"X can seem sensible and logical if you ignore sense and logic and believe your emotions instead". Yes, that's true for everything, and it is exactly what believing your emotions over facts means.

But that's just ad absurdum considering we don't have straight answers when it comes to socio-political issues.

It's absolutely straightforward to uphold Democratic principles over Fascistic enterprises. People who get this wrong are simply wrong, and it's likely emotional and psychological forces that got them there, not rational, historiographic, or empirical ones.

The current headwinds are a result of ill-equiped individuals being manipulated by other ill-equiped individuals.

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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"X can seem sensible and logical if you ignore sense and logic and believe your emotions instead". Yes, that's true for everything, and it is exactly what believing your emotions over facts means.

But that's just ad absurdum considering we don't have straight answers when it comes to socio-political issues.

We do though,

We've had them since the first time a group of farming monkeys decided to post day/night guards on the granary.

Those posts have been filled around the clock ever since.

To my knowledge the first ones to formalize this were Locke, Hobbes and Rousseau but, in all cases, very little has changed since.

To me, that's as straight an answer as you're ever going to get

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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I mean, you can just look this stuff up; it’s not like what ol’ Mini-Hands says at campaign rallies is secret or anything: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-says-im... What you have to remember is that he’s not, you know, a smart guy. And the base he’s appealing to with this stuff are also generally, well, probably not in the running for any Nobel prizes.

https://www.c-span.org/amp/video/?c5098439 He was talking about illegal immigrants. You can disagree with that of course, but why leave that out?

At some point, the dogwhistles become so loud that the only ones claiming not to hear them are either intentionally plugging their ears or simply concealing their delight.

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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I hate being such a fault finder but his sentiment about people and resources is just wrong. The WW2 generation became so peace loving after the war not before. Prior to then, war-lust was a popular sentiment, some viewed war as an adventure or a rite of passage even, especially before the first war.

We humans in general don't want peace, we find it boring I guess. He talks about people being treated equally and living on peace and how the greedy few are causing war and conflict, that sounds nice in a movie but in reality regular everyday people are hateful. In the west, we're living in a time of excess and luxury and have weaned off all that tribal hatred to the most part now, but what scares and frustrates me is that most people don't realize the rest of the world isn't so nice. They look at people burning american flags for example and think that's the minority lol, they think if we were nicer to them they wouldn't hate us so much. How naive!

What he said about the good earth being abundant is false too, technically correct but abundance exists for some and not others. Like in america just about every resource is abundant but in sub-saharan africa not so much. Not that the Nazis were using lack of resources in their propaganda.

The fear of our own destruction and misery is the only practically effective means to achieve peace. That's why nukes have been so effective so far, else we would have had more world wars.

So long as we crave violence in our every day lives there will be war lust and so long as that is true militaries must exist and continue to pursue various means of killing people.

The problem is in the human soul and how it is raised and our attachments to culture, tradition and history.

Action movies aren't popular with men because we're so peaceful. We crave the violence, we just want the situation to be framed so that we are the good guys and our violence is justified.

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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Those policies aren't proven to work and your caveat renders the assertion meaningless. But regardless: it is well studied that fascism is an appeal to emotion, not reason. Neither Italian fascism nor German nazism were rational or grounded in science. They were pseudoscientific and appealed to notions of blood, purity, sacrifice and nationalism -- that is, they appealed to emotion. They clouded the reason.

To be fair to the people of the day, that pseudoscience was considered mainstream legitimate science at the time, strongly promoted by their equivalent of Elon Musk on their equivalent of ExTwitter. Just part of what terrifies me about the leadership of the world’s superpower from next year being a toss up between two guys who would have been taught that eugenics was settled fact in school.

I certainly do not support eugenics applied to humans but let's note that we are absolutely apply it to all other life forms on Earth to produce advantageous variants for our various purposes. It works to the extent allowed by genetics and is in effect settled fact for plants and animals. Highly respected public intellectuals in the 1920s and 30s thought it was a good idea to apply it to humans. We all know the results.

https://nordics.info/show/artikel/eugenics-in-the-nordic-cou... https://www.aier.org/article/j-m-keyness-dreams-of-a-eugenic... https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-forgotten-le...

Re: The Final Speech from The Great Dictator (1940)

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> There’s a great many people around right now who’s primary redeeming quality is their impending mortality Ha ha, that's funny (but not nice — but I like it).

Sadly, it's true in some cases. Most notably Rupert Murdoch- while I do not wish death on the man, it's certainly true that he has a grip on the hearts and minds of people and often uses his media empire to convince people to go against their own interests. He will be replaced by someone similar, but seldom are people as effective as their predecessors.

>uses his media empire to convince people to go against their own interests

Well, yes, that’s his job. Do you think that news media exists to inform you?

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Hi, hello, I work here, google is down the street, as is microsoft. I can assure you they are not dust. All amazon has done is build more data centers, they havent taken some kind of hostile action towards the competition. The money was on the table, those companies didnt want to spend the time or take the risk, so amazon will gladly hoover it up.

Glad you have a job and stable employment! When I think of who Amazon has "ground into dust," it's not Microsoft and Google. It's Barnes & Noble, Borders, Waldenbooks, hundreds of thousands of small independent bookstores, small businesses that once worried about Walmart moving into the neighborhood now contending with the omnipresence of Amazon. Some of them adapt, yes. Some were going to close anyway, of course. Bu…

The nostalgia for Borders, B&N etc. is amusing considering they were blamed for the demise of independent bookstores before Amazon showed up.
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