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What? Phone usage is already banned while driving, period. Also, along with other Autopilot distractions, it is also detected by the cabin camera and it can kick you from using it. So I guess the answer to your questions are yes and yes?
So the goal here is not 100% full autonomy?
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I strongly disagree with your premise. Current situation: 125 people are killed every single day Future autonomous situation: 100 people are killed every single day I don't care who they are, what they were doing or why they were killed. The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. Hint: Imagine all of these people are your family and friends. Do you want to…
> The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. I think it's clear that if we were talking about saving 125 people 90 years old or older or 100 children, the clear choice is to save the children, from almost any rational point of view. Even just from a societal health or utility standpoint, children are worth more than people that are statistically close to de…
That assumes that the people currently being killed on the roads are "less valuable" than the people that would be killed on the roads by autonomous systems.
There is no evidence to prove that, it's purely hypothetical.
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Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. If this was a problem, we’d already see it in pedestrian injury statistics. (You may have a point with respect to systems like Supercruise and Tesla FSD, but that’s not the topic of this article.)
> Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. Really? My understanding is that many new vehicles have lane keep assist and dynamic cruise control, but that they are much more limited than Autopilot. For example, lots of cars have much tighter limits on the curves they will follow. They also don't have the UI that Autopilot has, which shows what cars it detects. This gives more of a sense of…
Some people argue that Tesla customers think they've been sold autonomy. I can't see how. Tesla goes to pains to make you aware of the $12k you would need to spend to get the system that "self drives". You are painfully aware of the $12k you didn't spend.
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It's a thought experiment. A spherical cow that demonstrates that simply measuring the aggregate death count is lossy, it assumes that the proportion of pedestrian deaths where the pedestrian is at fault remains the same in both situations which is not true, so I draw a picture which makes that glaring distinction. We need to know the details of these deaths to know which scenario is preferable. Here, reverse my scen…
I strongly disagree with your premise. Current situation: 125 people are killed every single day Future autonomous situation: 100 people are killed every single day I don't care who they are, what they were doing or why they were killed. The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. Hint: Imagine all of these people are your family and friends. Do you want to…
I would.
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I strongly disagree with your premise. Current situation: 125 people are killed every single day Future autonomous situation: 100 people are killed every single day I don't care who they are, what they were doing or why they were killed. The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. Hint: Imagine all of these people are your family and friends. Do you want to…
> The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. I think it's clear that if we were talking about saving 125 people 90 years old or older or 100 children, the clear choice is to save the children, from almost any rational point of view. Even just from a societal health or utility standpoint, children are worth more than people that are statistically close to de…
By the time they're widely deployed, autonomous vehicles aren't going to be a little bit safer than the average human driver. They will have to be superior by at least one order of magnitude. As in, the number of deaths per million miles at least 10X lower than the human average.
I think one order of magnitude is the least we should demand. I would consider it a rather low bar. I suspect that it'd need to be more like two orders of magnitude in order to retain sufficient community consent.
So if that's the threshold of acceptability, then we'd be talking about slashing deaths by 90% or possibly even 99%. Either way, autonomous vehicles could kill children exclusively and they'd still be safer around children than human drivers.
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> Most new cars are sold with features roughly in parity with Autopilot. Really? My understanding is that many new vehicles have lane keep assist and dynamic cruise control, but that they are much more limited than Autopilot. For example, lots of cars have much tighter limits on the curves they will follow. They also don't have the UI that Autopilot has, which shows what cars it detects. This gives more of a sense of…
Autopilot really is just adaptive cruise control and lane centering. It can't change lanes by itself. It can't take an exit. It won't stop at an intersection. It can't turn corners. These things are blindingly obvious within a few minutes of use. Yes it's more slick than the cruise assist features on your typical Toyota, Subaru etc, but not dramatically so. Some people argue that Tesla customers think they've been so…
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Deterrence clearly would be served from drivers predictably knowing that causing pedestrian fatalities would lead to jail time.
Really? You think that people are fine with killing pedestrians, but if only they might go to jail they wouldn't do that?
It’s not binary, it’s a distribution and I do believe you can alter that distribution.
$11,500 per human life extinguished for no reason. Tesla can easily cover that cost for the driver.
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> insane that killing two people in a car accident is treated with a fine instead of ANY jail time Which component of justice— retribution, incapacitation, deterrence, rehabilitation and reparation [1]—is served by jailing this person? The only one I see is retribution. Given the families are pursuing damages, the reparation prerogative is better served with him out of jail (and not draining his assets fighting priso…
Deterrence: it would make a lot of inattentive drivers take driving a bit more seriously if jail time could be the result of irresponsibility behind the wheel. Or give those who negligently kill with their cars a choice: serve the jail time for your negligent homicide, or give up your license for life. That would still have a deterrent effect while not being life-ruining (just life-inconveniencing)
Is this not default? They have clearly proved that are not fit to participate in road traffic.
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Removing a negligent driver’s license turns their next speeding ticket or red light camera into driving on a suspended or revoked license, which in some places carries the possibility of jail time.
The ticket for murdering two people didn’t carry jail time. Why would driving without a license?