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Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#1
This is happening in Germany.

My friend, living in London, sold information about my crypto investment to some high profile gang.

Since then, for the last 5 months, I had been followed, and observed 24/7, sometimes intimidated.

All my electronic equipment got hacked, computers, mobile phones, I previously asked about it here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37506194

I believe their plan is to kidnap me silently without any witness and police involvement, extort me, and then kill me. Just disappear me. I also believe I avoided 2 attempts already.

When I hired private security, they lasted for 3 days before they got bribed and changed sides.

I don't care about the money anymore at this point, I would just happily give it all out away just to get my old life back, I just want to make it out alive at this point. But like Dr. Strange, I am calculating scenarios, and every one of them ends with me being dead.

If I give up and give them the money, they will kill me to erase the trace and the threat, in case I changed my mind later.

If I just burn the money, I can't prove that I don't have more. Maybe I could, but it's more involved.

Looks like the only state when I live is when I have the money and they chase me for it.

To make matters worse, because of miscommunication, they may think I have x30 more money than I do. I think my conversation with criminal lawyer got snooped through my hacked laptop, because things around me have changed after this talk, they become more proffesional. I later found some jornal logs that say something about device being configured in remote headset mode, or something like that. Anyway, the lawyer asked how much is at the stake, a million or more, but I was too lazy to calculate, so I just replied "I don't know how much the bitcoin is, I have between x and y" but didn't specify I meant bicoins, so now they may think I have many millions to steal.

The police won't help, they want evidence or the crime, which I don't have, it's rather hard to prove that somebody is following you. In regard to hacked equipment, their response is to just buy a new one.

I am so tired and exhausted at this point, with so much stress and sleepless nights, I look now like a heavy drug user. This whole thing feels like a crash with a freight train in slow motion.

I have no options really, I can't run, because I'm being followed, and because they have many friends and will find me easily. Besides, with life in 21 century is all digital, and these records are easy to obtain when you pay someone. If I stay, I make myself an easy target. Looks like the only option is to kill myself, same result, less suffering. This is philosophical of course, I am not intending to kill myself, and especially not over ducking money.

So, what the duck do I do to make it out alive out of this?

Edit: heckraiser suggested if I could pay them off. I tried. They hacked my Andorid phone, which I noticed because it ate crazy amounts of battery, somthing like 7% in 10 minutes, I went back to dummy phones, so only used that one for certain tasks. When I taped out the cameras, usage went down, but still a lot. Weeks later I typed the message offering a deal to finish this, the result was the phone stopped eating the battery and went back to normal, they just removed the hack to erase the evidence. They don't want any deals, they want it all and to kill me.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#2
Could this be schizophrenia or another mental condition?

If you’re certain you avoided 2 kidnapping attempts, can you get access to nearby security camera footage as evidence?

Spending 5 months following you without overtly trying to extort you doesn’t sound typical for a criminal gang. Not impossible, given the sums involved, but patience and caution aren’t their hallmarks.

Consider whether you are in the common age range for schizophrenia to manifest. Attempt to prove or disprove, with hard evidence that a 3rd party would believe, whether there really are external forces conspiring against you.

I would be asking myself which is more likely: that a criminal gang has been trying and failing to kidnap me for months, or that I currently cannot trust my perceptions.

I am not a doctor, lawyer, nor law enforcement officer and this is not medical, legal, nor personal safety advice.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#4
That sounds terrifying. The being followed and snooped upon is actually an increasingly common phenomena, everywhere.

You won’t like my answer I’m afraid, you are discovering how fragile the lie of modernity is. You would would be better off angry than scared. Be crazy, not complicit. A time for you to get serious (reign it all in.)

Wealthy and famous people do not live normal lives, everyone is trying to take a little piece of them, and the complicit denial of conventional society will help you little.

Find a way to lock up your cash for five to ten years so you cannot betray yourself. Keep a journal and any other records of suspicious activities in case you do have enough to convince authorities. Live a vigilant self determined life first above all else.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#5

Could this be schizophrenia or another mental condition? If you’re certain you avoided 2 kidnapping attempts, can you get access to nearby security camera footage as evidence? Spending 5 months following you without overtly trying to extort you doesn’t sound typical for a criminal gang. Not impossible, given the sums involved, but patience and caution aren’t their hallmarks. Consider whether you are in the common age…

Gang stalking is real and it can happen for both fun and profit.

The technical details are very different to what even a smart person would “suppose.”

Truth is not sane by society’s standards so we play along in confidence and call that convention.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#6

Could this be schizophrenia or another mental condition? If you’re certain you avoided 2 kidnapping attempts, can you get access to nearby security camera footage as evidence? Spending 5 months following you without overtly trying to extort you doesn’t sound typical for a criminal gang. Not impossible, given the sums involved, but patience and caution aren’t their hallmarks. Consider whether you are in the common age…

It most likely is and while your attempts to help them "logic" their way out of this are noble, I don't think it will help.

"Gang stalking" is the term I've heard for it and Wikipedia has some details about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking

I hope the op can get some help with this.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#7

Could this be schizophrenia or another mental condition? If you’re certain you avoided 2 kidnapping attempts, can you get access to nearby security camera footage as evidence? Spending 5 months following you without overtly trying to extort you doesn’t sound typical for a criminal gang. Not impossible, given the sums involved, but patience and caution aren’t their hallmarks. Consider whether you are in the common age…

It most likely is and while your attempts to help them "logic" their way out of this are noble, I don't think it will help. "Gang stalking" is the term I've heard for it and Wikipedia has some details about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gang_stalking I hope the op can get some help with this.

Sorry to clarify the "Most likely is", I mean that in relation to a mental disorder of some kind as mentioned in the parent comment. Not that they're truly being persecuted by a criminal gang. Not impossible, but judging by the description of what's happened, unlikely.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

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Could this be schizophrenia or another mental condition? If you’re certain you avoided 2 kidnapping attempts, can you get access to nearby security camera footage as evidence? Spending 5 months following you without overtly trying to extort you doesn’t sound typical for a criminal gang. Not impossible, given the sums involved, but patience and caution aren’t their hallmarks. Consider whether you are in the common age…

No camera evidence, I just realized what is going on and bolted. Once in the hotel, once through bribed security guards. Apparently they thried to get me while I sleep.

5 months, unlikely, that's what everyone says. These people are not common criminals, patience and caution are their hallmarks, they just don't want any witness and thus the police being involved, just waiting for the opportunity. They are proffesionals. And it's hard for them when I am aware and careful, but they won't wait forever.

My stuff didn't hack itself, I had silent phone calls from private number in certain situations, ambiguous messages sent to my skype account, that nobody had knowledge of, but them from my hacked password database.

I am well past the age for common schizophrenia breakouts. I had seen a psychiatrist a few days ago, I wanted to be admited to a mental hospital, just to get a break, but after the evaluation they refused to admit me in, just offered treatmet for depression some time later.

Re: Ask HN: How do I make it out alive out of this?

#10

That sounds terrifying. The being followed and snooped upon is actually an increasingly common phenomena, everywhere. You won’t like my answer I’m afraid, you are discovering how fragile the lie of modernity is. You would would be better off angry than scared. Be crazy, not complicit. A time for you to get serious (reign it all in.) Wealthy and famous people do not live normal lives, everyone is trying to take a litt…

It's rather hard for a single person, and a nerd at that, to be up against a proffesional gang. What the hell would I do anyway?

And seriously, duck the money, if I had a choice of being rich and to live with the security, I would rather have normal life and be free.

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