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Post by smittywerben »

kazinator wrote: post #178
smittywerben wrote: post #128

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You're still wrong. Here are 2 uses. brown shirt (plural brown shirts) 1. Alternative form of Brownshirt 2. A worker whose role is identified by a uniform with a brown or khaki shirt. > We really could use a brown shirt in the Park. 2007, Dana Stabenow, A Deeper Sleep, page 36 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/brown_shirt digital brownshirt (plural digital brownshirts) 1. (slang, US, derogatory) A right-wing blogger. >…

All of the above are misuses of "brownshirt" by people who heard the word and, like I did, neglected to check a dictionary, thereby unwittingly invoking a Nazi reference. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brownshirt There doesn't seem to be any evidence that "brown shirt" nor "brownshirt" was used a metaphor for a person in any kind of role before the 1920's, when it came into use in reference to the Nazi st…

Words for clothing tend to shift their reference to the wearers of the clothing over time. Perhaps it was so ordinary that it never made it into literary record.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by supermatt »

preisschild wrote: post #120
supermatt wrote: post #112

Google has seemingly reached the pinnacle of uselessness > To find a client, do a web search for "how do I find a usenet text client" Result: https://imgur.com/a/8VrfuPu

Tbf thats how its supposed to work. By quoting it you are explicitly searching for the text "how do I find a usenet text client". Remove the quotes.

It was tongue in cheek, as that’s exactly what they said to search for.

To be fair though, even without the quotes the first 4 links are the same! The query itself is also a poor representation of a good search query for Usenet clients.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by kazinator »

smittywerben wrote: post #201
kazinator wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of the above are misuses of "brownshirt" by people who heard the word and, like I did, neglected to check a dictionary, thereby unwittingly invoking a Nazi reference. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brownshirt There doesn't seem to be any evidence that "brown shirt" nor "brownshirt" was used a metaphor for a person in any kind of role before the 1920's, when it came into use in reference to the Nazi st…

Words for clothing tend to shift their reference to the wearers of the clothing over time. Perhaps it was so ordinary that it never made it into literary record.

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Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by pklausler »

lproven wrote: post #153
rilindo wrote: post #3

Is still worth giving Usenet a try again? Are there any technology Usenet groups that are still active and worth subscribing to?

news:comp.lang.fortran has been helpful to me. news:alt.folklore.computers is active I enjoy the news:comp.sys.acorn hierarchy but then I was an Archimedes user.

comp.lang.fortran will be sorely missed; there is no good alternative anywhere else for discussions of the language.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by danpalmer »

sgammon wrote: post #170
danpalmer wrote: post #156

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Ugh. Thanks for all your work on those issues though. It sounds like @cgrindel got somewhere with it. While I understand the frustration, I see package managers and Bazel as quite distinct approaches, and I'm not surprised that they are incompatible. There shouldn't be anything incompatible between Firebase itself and Bazel – I can assure you that Bazel is used to build wildly esoteric things at Google – but the Coco…

And no problem / you’re welcome, thanks for the thank you, but this problem is so bad that we left Google. So while I appreciate the thank you, as a user, id appreciate a fix a lot more.

I'm sorry I'm not able to help with a fix. That's down to my lack of expertise in the specifics of iOS builds.

I get the frustration, I really do. It makes sense that different Google technologies should work with each other like in this case, but I can see why this sort of thing slips through the cracks when the teams are so far removed from each other.

Regarding Bazel's ability to do this, I can't say for sure, but I see a common pattern in Bazel usage outside of Google where users expect it to work at a higher level than it does. At a fundamental level if you can do it on the command line by running commands and moving files around, then Bazel can do it (hermetically, reproducibly, etc). Big Bazel deployments build up a lot of build definitions that handle all these things and abstract away the details, and these may be what's missing.

Anecdotally, I work on a very large Android app, and it's all built with Bazel rules that are many layers deep of customisation. At the bottom somewhere is a `java_binary` rule or something like that from Bazel itself, but there's a lot of customisation to make it work for us. It sounds like this would be necessary to get Firebase working. Ultimately though if Xcode can build it, Bazel can script it.

As for Cocoapods/SPM etc, the reason I said these were at odds with the Bazel process is because Bazel is designed for a world without package managers where you just have all the code in your monorepo with the appropriate BUILD files, because this is how Google works. It sounds like there is tooling to work around this and get the code into the Bazel cache, but it's unlikely that automatically generating BUILD files is always going to get it right.

Re: Google Groups ending support for Usenet

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Post by iggldiggl »

LanzVonL wrote: post #69
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #67

Wish there was some way to give the data Google obtained in the Deja News acquisition back to the public, i.e., allow free public access to all of it as Deja News was doing at the time. (After the acqusitition, for a while Javascript was required to access comp.unix.* groups via Google Groups. Eventually, after years went by, this was fixed. But even then some of the data from these groups and other computing related…

Archive.org has it all. It's not in a usable format, it's like tar dumps. But it's on there.

Sort of – for the one newsgroup I'm interested in (uk.railway), the Giganews archive only seems to go back to the early 2000s – whereas I know that Google had posts going back into the 90s, but sadly it's one of the groups where access was blocked on account of "too much spam" (probably facilitated by Google Groups in the first place).
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