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Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by prmoustache »

jchw wrote: post #94
LeFantome wrote: post #86

For everybody trying to figure out the point of Chimera Linux, it is Void Linux taken one step further. The founder used to be the maintainer of Void for PPC. That also explains the supported arch selection for Chimera. My take on Chimera is that it is what a FreeBSD user would want if they were going to use Linux. They share the same compiler and userland. The build system rings a lot of bells. At first, GNOME seems…

It looks quite nice though yeah, the choice of GNOME makes me a little bit less enthused. I wonder if System76's COSMIC will ever take off enough to be a consideration, as I would really like to see a new stable, pragmatic, productivity + user-focused DE take off. Plasma's a bit too buggy, GNOME feels not so pragmatic and definitely not so user-focused, the rest feel like they lack some level of polish and maintenanc…

Gnome is one of my favorite DE as to me it is so easily usable and efficient with maximise use of the keyboard straight out of the box while still being very practical to use with a tactile screen.

I do understand that it may not be for everyone but my understanding is that when people say a desktop is not user focused, what they really mean is it isn't focused to people resistant to changes

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by nilsherzig »

jchw wrote: post #94
LeFantome wrote: post #86

For everybody trying to figure out the point of Chimera Linux, it is Void Linux taken one step further. The founder used to be the maintainer of Void for PPC. That also explains the supported arch selection for Chimera. My take on Chimera is that it is what a FreeBSD user would want if they were going to use Linux. They share the same compiler and userland. The build system rings a lot of bells. At first, GNOME seems…

It looks quite nice though yeah, the choice of GNOME makes me a little bit less enthused. I wonder if System76's COSMIC will ever take off enough to be a consideration, as I would really like to see a new stable, pragmatic, productivity + user-focused DE take off. Plasma's a bit too buggy, GNOME feels not so pragmatic and definitely not so user-focused, the rest feel like they lack some level of polish and maintenanc…

What Gnome do you think doesn't feel user focused? I use 90% of the time minimalist window manager, but when I need a full desktop I find Gnome the best choice. Gnome isn't particularly exciting, but in my experience, everything I can't say about other desktops just works. Apart from that, Adwaita looks incredibly much better Qt.

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by eternityforest »

q66 wrote: post #66
devit wrote: post #37

"that a simple system does not have to require endless setup and customization to be practical" and "alternative userland" don't go together since obviously any "alternative userland" is going to break lots of stuff and thus require extensive tweaking work.

they do though, just not in the way you think; in general chimera is designed so that whatever you install from the repositories, it'll yield a working out of the box configuration you want a desktop? you install it and it works; there is no (mandatory) tinkering with getting dbus, audio, wifi/bluetooth, or whatever else to work - most importantly things are set up in a way that installs are consistently deterministi…

I'm not a "hacker distro guy", so my opinion doesn't matter much, but thisn definitely seems far more interesting than the piles of shell scripts most distros use.

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by pjmlp »

anthk wrote: post #106
pjmlp wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

macOS, iOS, Android, ChromeOS, PlayStation and WSL. Welcome to what a world without GNU looks like.

That "GNU" religion you call it has been able to speed up computing like no time else. Android have been enshitifying the last releases on encryption and privacy. Ironically Replicant 6 (libred Android 6.0) has more settings for that than the current Android 12. On Chrome OS, it's just a shell to Google services. Put these services down, no your device it's 75% useless. On PS, it's just a DRM -potentially-brickable-w…

You should be answering to OP, not me.

HN, where people quick fire answer to comments without reading the threads properly, alongside lack of English compreehension.

==> "People that shit at GNU forget that without it, Linux would never ever taken off."

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by tomphoolery »

Interesting take on SystemD. I personally find it very helpful, but one of its major downsides as a project is that it is, to borrow a quote from Benno Rice, "aggressively Linux-specific". That said, it appears their own software choices prevent them from using it as summarized in the following quote:

> That’s why one of the goals in Chimera is to implement the actual useful systemd functionality, but independently and in our own way, without the shortcomings.

I question whether it would be possible for SystemD to be portable to other software stacks? Seems like it would be useful enough to attempt that port rather than literally rewrite SystemD, and you get to satisfy _both_ the SystemD stans and the haters at the same time! But who knows, it might lead to some kind of future innovation to have competing products doing the same thing...

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by trenchgun »

arp242 wrote: post #43
torstenvl wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That strikes me as disingenuous. Can you show me even one example of another person using "nonstandard" in this way as applied to a C library ?

You are replying to someone who did, so there's your example. There's a bunch of other people in this thread as well – you really don't need to look very far. "Standard" is one of those words that can mean different things. Insisting on one absolute definition and calling anyone who uses another definition "disingenuous" is not hugely constructive.

Are you saying there is not only one "standard" use of the word "standard"?

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by simonh »

pjmlp wrote: post #105
krupan wrote: post #89

If you are along time GNU user (meaning GNU grep, sed, less, awk, find, tar, etc., etc.) this will be way more frustrating than you realize to use. Having lived in the UNIX days, I can still remember the subtle differences in all the command-line tools driving me nuts. This is actually how the GNU tools became popular even before Linux was a thing, you could install them on irix, hpux, sun, any UNIX, and you wouldn't…

I do confess having installed the GNU ports on Solaris multiple times. Unfortunely Aix and HP-UX servers were out of my control, thus scripts had to stay POSIX compatible for anything that had to run across all our servers, or written in Perl.

Oh sure, I still remember getting my first 1/4” tape of the GNU tools source code through the post. This is why it’s so hilarious to me when the kids nowadays complain that MacOS has different command line tools to Linux. “Why can’t they just use GNU?”.

Get off my lawn! ;)

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by Gur3n »

sidkshatriya wrote: post #65
NewJazz wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[musl is] slower than glibc, and in occasionally difficult to predict spots Note that sometimes (/often) this purely due to the allocator, and as far as I remember Chimera uses a different allocator than the stock musl one.

Happy chimera user here. It feels fast in regular usage though I use ssh much more than desktop. What’s actually amazing about chimera is the musl + clang/llvm/compiler-rt combination. It allows you to do all kinds of amazing things easily from a programming perspective. The apk 3 package manager, build system (cbuild) is also excellent. Everything feels modern and clean. Package availability is still limited and you…

It's pretty hard to feel slow on modern hardware, especially for x86 (I don't mean Chimera is slow though, I haven't tried it yet.)

Re: Chimera Linux

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Post by cycomanic »

anthk wrote: post #109
cycomanic wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed, seriously if you make such broad, sweeping statements at lest back it up with specific evidence.

GNU glibc has some gratuitous extensions over ANSI C/C99. Unix utilities have long non-standard and non-POSIX based flags.

So what? The OP wrote:

> Those hacks that allow for the ease of use in a GNU userland make programming a massive pain in the ass where nothing "just works" the way it should, because GNU programs and libraries are in flagrant violation of every specification and rule of thumb that has ever really mattered for Unices.

Just because the tools offer additional functionality does not mean they "violate every specification and rule of thumb that has ever really mattered for Unices" (what does that even mean?!). I mean you're welcome to edit files in ed, because that's pure Unix, but I'd rather use a more capable editor.

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