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An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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I've never seen a text version that lets me select the text, that's bizarre

I’m assuming that he means that on (for example) Mac you can select text from any image and copy paste it. https://uk.pcmag.com/macos/138058/not-just-iphone-how-to-use...

100% correct, I assumed windows also let people do that given text recognition is apparently trivial now (to the extent it's annoying - trying to drag images and get text selection instead is annoying :-/)

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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I think captchas disappear next year or so. Already was soft human determination.

What replaces captchas? Are there any not excessively burdensome tests that a standard issue human can pass that a machine somehow cannot? I'm assuming the "find all the bicycles" tests are also obsolete.

Doesn't the checkmark thing work?

Or are bots somehow able to do those too?

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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It's really amazing when we still get those text ones and nowadays you can literally select the text in many of the images and copy/paste into the input field.

I've never seen a text version that lets me select the text, that's bizarre

@_rutinerad got it - on macOS you can select text in any image, and I just assumed you could do that on windows as well (I figure in the context of linux it would be much more dependent on specific configuration so unilateral assumptions on behaviour would be questionable).

It's honestly annoying as it frequently interferes with dragging images out of safari, except on those occasions when I do want the text when it's super useful. I think the iOS interface just tells you there's text in an image or photo and gives you the option to copy it rather than cursor based selection you get on Mac.

[edit: from other comments it sounds like windows can do this but it's not always present, and not present in all circumstances, which makes me wonder how many cases in cocoa/uikit/swiftui it does not work]

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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I guess validating a payment card is going to be the next step to sign up for whatever. Don’t allow pre paid BINs and let’s go. Gonna be pretty miserable, however someone needs to find something as I currently would rather pay 0.01$ instead of solving a captcha. Especially the select all the bicycles; it’s a waste of life.

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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I think captchas disappear next year or so. Already was soft human determination.

What replaces captchas? Are there any not excessively burdensome tests that a standard issue human can pass that a machine somehow cannot? I'm assuming the "find all the bicycles" tests are also obsolete.

An international identity card :-/

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What replaces captchas? Are there any not excessively burdensome tests that a standard issue human can pass that a machine somehow cannot? I'm assuming the "find all the bicycles" tests are also obsolete.

Something realtime, like video, is beyond most models at the moment. After that, realtime input, like little mini game you have to show proficiency at by scoring 5. I think the mini game approach could be fun. It could probably work for a year or two. :-\

the minigame thing has been defeated for a long time. it's trivial to solve when there are only so many subsets of a game, however randomized the starting states are.

I guess there is a silver-lining in the premise of AI generated one-time-use games for that sake, but then there is a significant "can a human even do this?" problem to conquer at that point.. and worse the same AI tech is going to be established on the opposite side of the wall trying to defeat the thing.

I think it'll all boil down to some sort of state-license fallback method like "please enter a CC or ID number to continue" -- which is ultimately a defeat of the user, unfortunately.

Re: An Empirical Study and Evaluation of Modern CAPTCHAs

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What replaces captchas? Are there any not excessively burdensome tests that a standard issue human can pass that a machine somehow cannot? I'm assuming the "find all the bicycles" tests are also obsolete.

Sadly, probably something like TPMs or email logins (from a reputable email provider of course, one who requires SMS to sign up, from a reputable phone provider of course, one who doesn't offer free VoIP numbers and requires a credit card to sign up, from a reputable card brand of course, not a burner card)

from a reputable card brand who doesn't allow usage of stolen cards? lol maybe the internet just implodes.
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