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Also thanks for flagging these too:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/13/tech/tesla-recall-autopil...
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/more-than-2-million-tes...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935
I might have missed them otherwise.
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Removing a negligent driver’s license turns their next speeding ticket or red light camera into driving on a suspended or revoked license, which in some places carries the possibility of jail time.
The ticket for murdering two people didn’t carry jail time. Why would driving without a license?
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> say 10 years per murdered person Sure. Nobody was murdered. > clearly 23k is not high enough to stop many people from repeating this crime That’s not the penalty. It’s a criminal conviction, the fine and probation. I don’t know the terms of the probation, but I assume it means he goes to jail for traffic infractions. Also, he’s going to pay a lot more than $23k given the civil case is ongoing.
Manslaughter is also a felony. Even the language around automobiles is corrupted. Essentially all "accidents" aren't. Owning and operating a multi-ton machine capable of travelling at high speed and rapidly accelerating is a huge responsibility. Being distracted isn't an accident, it's negligence. Not mechanically maintaining the vehicle is negligence. Not supervising your vehicle, even when you have some sort of dig…
The driver was convicted of a felony.
> Calling a system that is not fully self-driving "autopilot"...is....something worse than negligence
So we agree that the driver isn't, by default, subject to a minimum penalty of jail time.
Note: the criminal penalties are a conviction, fine and probation. The victims’ “families have separately filed civil lawsuits against Aziz Riad and Tesla that are ongoing.”
The civil lawsuit cannot give suspended prison sentence i guess. Who does this person know? Or is it usual in the US? In my country, a killer will always get time, even if its "only" negligence: the time will often get suspended until the next infraction. This end after 20 years, so at least idiots like this will maybe be careful about other people lives.
Which country? Because study after study shows deterence is weak at best for such crimes.
To whom it may concen, Thanks for flagging this otherwise I might have missed it. Also thanks for flagging these too: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/13/tech/tesla-recall-autopil... https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/more-than-2-million-tes... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935 I might have missed them otherwise.
To whom it may concen, Thanks for flagging this otherwise I might have missed it. Also thanks for flagging these too: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/13/tech/tesla-recall-autopil... https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/more-than-2-million-tes... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935 I might have missed them otherwise.
To whom it may concen, Thanks for flagging this otherwise I might have missed it. Also thanks for flagging these too: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/13/tech/tesla-recall-autopil... https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/12/more-than-2-million-tes... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935 I might have missed them otherwise.
Is there a way to see flagged postings?
To read the flagged submissions I do something like
sed -n '/\[flagged\]/p' yc.htm > 1.htm
links -no-connect 1.htm
Or, if I'm reading yc.htm, I might search for the pattern "[flagged]" in the page. In the browser I use, searching is done with a single keypress "/" and then "n" for next match an "p" for previous.
Popular browsers might require more complex keypresses or possibly mouse clicks; they might be sluggish with a 7MB HTML file. Not sure.
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Manslaughter is also a felony. Even the language around automobiles is corrupted. Essentially all "accidents" aren't. Owning and operating a multi-ton machine capable of travelling at high speed and rapidly accelerating is a huge responsibility. Being distracted isn't an accident, it's negligence. Not mechanically maintaining the vehicle is negligence. Not supervising your vehicle, even when you have some sort of dig…
> Manslaughter is also a felony The driver was convicted of a felony. > Calling a system that is not fully self-driving "autopilot"...is....something worse than negligence So we agree that the driver isn't, by default, subject to a minimum penalty of jail time.
Given the rates of vehicle deaths in the US, the penalties are clearly not high enough to act as a deterrent.
The "default" for this charge absolutely involves at least a year of jail time (that is, in fact, the defining difference between a felony and a misdemeanor), and the plea deal in this case is an affront to justice.
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It's a thought experiment. A spherical cow that demonstrates that simply measuring the aggregate death count is lossy, it assumes that the proportion of pedestrian deaths where the pedestrian is at fault remains the same in both situations which is not true, so I draw a picture which makes that glaring distinction. We need to know the details of these deaths to know which scenario is preferable. Here, reverse my scen…
I strongly disagree with your premise. Current situation: 125 people are killed every single day Future autonomous situation: 100 people are killed every single day I don't care who they are, what they were doing or why they were killed. The details of their deaths are no important. Saving 25 lives per day is clearly the right thing to do. Hint: Imagine all of these people are your family and friends. Do you want to…
I think it's clear that if we were talking about saving 125 people 90 years old or older or 100 children, the clear choice is to save the children, from almost any rational point of view. Even just from a societal health or utility standpoint, children are worth more than people that are statistically close to death anyway at a societal level.
If that premise is acceptable, and if we accept that switching to self driving might change the demographics of who dies in accidents, then it's important to quantify not just whether it saves more people or not, but what people, in case that shifts matters.
> Hint: Imagine all of these people are your family and friends. Do you want to keep having 125 of them die every day, or only 100?
I would rather lose both my parents than one of my children. I don't know a single parent that would feel otherwise.
Additionally, there's also the possibility that like adding extra lanes of traffic to a freeway can make traffic jams worse, self driving cars could increase deaths per capita while reducing deaths per trip, by promoting a lot more car travel (by either allowing current non drivers to drive or increasing time current drivers spend in the car).
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The civil lawsuit cannot give suspended prison sentence i guess. Who does this person know? Or is it usual in the US? In my country, a killer will always get time, even if its "only" negligence: the time will often get suspended until the next infraction. This end after 20 years, so at least idiots like this will maybe be careful about other people lives.
> In my country, a killer will always get time Which country? Because study after study shows deterence is weak at best for such crimes.
If the person can't improve, and is caught reckless driving or drunk driving (or worse, killing/hurting someone else), then the 'suspended' sentence transform into a full sentence, to protect other people from the idiot.