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Re: Chimera Linux

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"that a simple system does not have to require endless setup and customization to be practical" and "alternative userland" don't go together since obviously any "alternative userland" is going to break lots of stuff and thus require extensive tweaking work.

If it's alternative but largely compatible, I don't see a lot of tweaking ahead. If it's materially different, it's mostly going to be learning, before any tweaking.

Re: Chimera Linux

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People that shit at GNU forget that without it, Linux would never ever taken off.

It was the AT&T vs BSD lawsuit, giving uncertainty to BSD's future, combined with the maturity of GNU userspace that gave Linux the opportunity to be relevant at all.

Nowadays it is the GNU religion.

Personally I couldn't care less of what shape of UNIX I get to use, though I do acknowledge that GNU religion is what allowed me not to spend endless nights at the university compute center fighting for a DG/UX or Solaris terminal, instead we could work on assignments from the comfort of our homes.

Re: Chimera Linux

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For everybody trying to figure out the point of Chimera Linux, it is Void Linux taken one step further. The founder used to be the maintainer of Void for PPC. That also explains the supported arch selection for Chimera. My take on Chimera is that it is what a FreeBSD user would want if they were going to use Linux. They share the same compiler and userland. The build system rings a lot of bells. At first, GNOME seems…

It looks quite nice though yeah, the choice of GNOME makes me a little bit less enthused. I wonder if System76's COSMIC will ever take off enough to be a consideration, as I would really like to see a new stable, pragmatic, productivity + user-focused DE take off. Plasma's a bit too buggy, GNOME feels not so pragmatic and definitely not so user-focused, the rest feel like they lack some level of polish and maintenance. System76 seems to have money to put into something good here, and they seem to have the right incentives to make something focused on user's needs and sensibilities more than developer's ideals, so it seems like in some time it could become a major contender.

Re: Chimera Linux

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Most Linux installs are going to be using Bionic libc, so still dubious to call glibc "standard". This is Linux. There is no standard. OpenWRT used uClibc until 2019.

GNU/Linux is the standard, as in most common. That's where it all started. Android is not used as a desktop or server OS.

Android is used as a desktop OS in a limited capacity among a small group of hackers.

Re: Chimera Linux

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll add that most anti-GNU people I know in the BSD space and related projects are not at all against GNU politically speaking or it's ideals or the free software movement. We mostly think that a variety of terrible technical decisions have been made and allowed to metastisize over the years, and that they are largely unfixable so long as Linux remains an operating system devoted primarily to ease of use, popularity…

What are some good examples of where a BSD userland is much better than GNU userland? One thing that possibly comes to mind for me is macOS' launchd, which doesn't seem to give me the same headaches as systemd even though they're kind of the same thing (see also: windows services manager.) Another is/was clang/llvm vs. gcc, but gcc seems to have improved since clang originally came out. And clang is readily available…

> One thing that possibly comes to mind for me is macOS' launchd, which doesn't seem to give me the same headaches as systemd even though they're kind of the same thing (see also: windows services manager.)

XML definitions for service startup and inconsistent switches. Launchd is worse than systemd in those regards. I was quite happy to let go of my work iMac and do development on Linux.

Re: Chimera Linux

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So they're basically saying "our system will be better because more things will just work" but then they decided to use nonstandard libc and coreutils so actually getting existing Linux scripts and software to work in this distro will be harder .

Saying musl is non-standard is a serious allegation. Can you expand on that? In what way does it violate the standard?

If a distro is advertising the fact that they are not using glibc, then that's the standard. I don't mean no snark. This is the way parent probably used the term. It doesn't mean musl is not good or it violates some standard. Though you are more likely to have problems with it as an end user where gentoo/arch wikis won't be of any help.

Re: Chimera Linux

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post #95
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

GNU/Linux is the standard, as in most common. That's where it all started. Android is not used as a desktop or server OS.

Android is used as a desktop OS in a limited capacity among a small group of hackers.

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Re: Chimera Linux

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post #93

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People that shit at GNU forget that without it, Linux would never ever taken off. It was the AT&T vs BSD lawsuit, giving uncertainty to BSD's future, combined with the maturity of GNU userspace that gave Linux the opportunity to be relevant at all. Nowadays it is the GNU religion. Personally I couldn't care less of what shape of UNIX I get to use, though I do acknowledge that GNU religion is what allowed me not to sp…

Fundie Apología isn’t much better.

Re: Chimera Linux

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People that shit at GNU forget that without it, Linux would never ever taken off. It was the AT&T vs BSD lawsuit, giving uncertainty to BSD's future, combined with the maturity of GNU userspace that gave Linux the opportunity to be relevant at all. Nowadays it is the GNU religion. Personally I couldn't care less of what shape of UNIX I get to use, though I do acknowledge that GNU religion is what allowed me not to sp…

Fundie Apología isn’t much better.

macOS, iOS, Android, ChromeOS, PlayStation and WSL.

Welcome to what a world without GNU looks like.

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