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AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by robluxus »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #20
MichaelZuo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.

It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.

Because if you start making more widgets then now your support, marketing, sales acquisition et al costs also have to scale. But that needs foresight... And until the AI workforce comes for those too, it's easier to claim short term victory.

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Post by [deleted] »

skywhopper wrote: post #13

This is profoundly unrealistic. There’s no way the current crop of AI tools are independently executing at the level of even a junior programmer. If there’s any truth to the story, it sounds like someone changing the open job just based on spitefulness. A high level engineer handholding an AI to write some JS code is a huge waste of that person’s time.

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Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by MichaelZuo »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #20
MichaelZuo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.

It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.

Then why not make a solid argument for it higher up in the chain?

Instead of a reaction to a comment further down.

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Post by flappyeagle »

> He started using the AI model as a front-end engineer. He would talk to the AI the way he would talk to the resigned front-end engineer, giving tasks, iterating on the React UI, and making final changes in the source code before pushing it to production. After a week-long pilot, he asked headhunters to use the opened position to find a UI/UX designer for the team instead. He no longer needed a front-end engineer.

Wait lemme get this straight — AI didn’t eliminate a job; it changed a job to something higher in the abstraction chain. Isn’t this actually the very best case outcome?

Low level language dev -> high level language dev -> designer

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by smrtinsert »

What a lazy take. Let's see AI actually own the position reading jiras doing maintenance upgrading debugging deployments.

Yes AI will change the jobs. Replace is way to blunt and lazy a term to describe the potential change that is coming.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by smrtinsert »

skywhopper wrote: post #13

This is profoundly unrealistic. There’s no way the current crop of AI tools are independently executing at the level of even a junior programmer. If there’s any truth to the story, it sounds like someone changing the open job just based on spitefulness. A high level engineer handholding an AI to write some JS code is a huge waste of that person’s time.

Absolutely. If you're junior only created greenfield js apps and thay was the entire role, then fire that principal the entire team isn't setup right.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by hakdbha »

flappyeagle wrote: post #24

> He started using the AI model as a front-end engineer. He would talk to the AI the way he would talk to the resigned front-end engineer, giving tasks, iterating on the React UI, and making final changes in the source code before pushing it to production. After a week-long pilot, he asked headhunters to use the opened position to find a UI/UX designer for the team instead. He no longer needed a front-end engineer. W…

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Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by FormerBandmate »

throwaway5959 wrote: post #20
MichaelZuo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.

It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.

That’s what ends up happening in practice. Who has actually been fired because of AI? GitHub Copilot has been out forever

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by jschveibinz »

Hear ye, hear ye.

The state of technology and business is changing very quickly now. The slope is almost vertical relative to 10-20 years ago. What exists now will seem like very old news one year from now. Take heed, stay agile, learn more and please don't underestimate tech growth.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by musicale »

jschveibinz wrote: post #29

Hear ye, hear ye. The state of technology and business is changing very quickly now. The slope is almost vertical relative to 10-20 years ago. What exists now will seem like very old news one year from now. Take heed, stay agile, learn more and please don't underestimate tech growth.

Humans can't really compete with vertical. Moreover Gen Z already knows they're worse off than their parents, who were worse off than their respective parents. The real world is looking less appealing, which is probably why so many people are dropping out of it.
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