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AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by grepfru_it »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #7
fieldcny wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad thing is this is going to be to the detriment of those trying to learn, we are going to wind up with a new glass ceeling, programmers that can code without these tools and programmers that are reliant on them. The latter will have very short careers (dangerous prediction, I know)

Analogous to this, I'm already seeing a new generation that doesn't know how to (and has no curiosity to learn to) get around a server or know what's going on in one because all they know how to do is run a container.

I, too, remember when Mac and windows came out and an entire generation would never use Unix because all they know is point and click.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by DiscourseFan »

grepfru_it wrote: post #11
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analogous to this, I'm already seeing a new generation that doesn't know how to (and has no curiosity to learn to) get around a server or know what's going on in one because all they know how to do is run a container.

I, too, remember when Mac and windows came out and an entire generation would never use Unix because all they know is point and click.

Doing everything from a terminal is cool and all and makes me feel like a hacker or something, but it's far easier to just click around tbh, and then have the option of using the terminal if I want to.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by skywhopper »

This is profoundly unrealistic. There’s no way the current crop of AI tools are independently executing at the level of even a junior programmer. If there’s any truth to the story, it sounds like someone changing the open job just based on spitefulness. A high level engineer handholding an AI to write some JS code is a huge waste of that person’s time.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by DiscourseFan »

guluarte wrote: post #9
merpnderp wrote: post #5

Am I missing some demos of LLM’s producing jr. Dev level work, because from my experience this seems implausible.

AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs

Could. Also might not, depends on a lot of things. But I have to say, there are a still plenty of horse and buggy drivers today, weavers, typewriter manufacturers. I'm sure they'll still be many programmers with AI advances.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by SkyPuncher »

guluarte wrote: post #9
merpnderp wrote: post #5

Am I missing some demos of LLM’s producing jr. Dev level work, because from my experience this seems implausible.

AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs

AI has enabled my team to essentially all become polyglots. It's really amazing to be able to jump between languages, using the best tools for the domain.

* JS/TS - FE

* Ruby on Rails - Most of our business logic

* Python - Doc and LLM specific code

* Misc. other languages - niche features that make the most sense in specific languages.

----

Previously, we'd spend a lot of time on dumb little things. Things that you probably take for granted in your primary language, but can become super frustrating in a new language.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by SkyPuncher »

fwungy wrote: post #4

The code I get from LLMs is only as good as StackOverflow and will often send you in the wrong direction if you don't know what it's doing. The part of programming LLMs solve is the easiest part.

How big are your prompts?

I've found LLMs are incredibly when you prompt with a comment for the next 1 to 5 lines.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by MichaelZuo »

SkyPuncher wrote: post #15
guluarte wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI is making developers more productive, although I doubt that will cause a shortage in jobs

AI has enabled my team to essentially all become polyglots. It's really amazing to be able to jump between languages, using the best tools for the domain. * JS/TS - FE * Ruby on Rails - Most of our business logic * Python - Doc and LLM specific code * Misc. other languages - niche features that make the most sense in specific languages. ---- Previously, we'd spend a lot of time on dumb little things. Things that you…

Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by root_axis »

fieldcny wrote: post #6
fwungy wrote: post #4

The code I get from LLMs is only as good as StackOverflow and will often send you in the wrong direction if you don't know what it's doing. The part of programming LLMs solve is the easiest part.

The sad thing is this is going to be to the detriment of those trying to learn, we are going to wind up with a new glass ceeling, programmers that can code without these tools and programmers that are reliant on them. The latter will have very short careers (dangerous prediction, I know)

The same was said about developers relying on search engines, now google-fu is generally considered an essential skillet for the modern programmer.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by root_axis »

DiscourseFan wrote: post #12
grepfru_it wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I, too, remember when Mac and windows came out and an entire generation would never use Unix because all they know is point and click.

Doing everything from a terminal is cool and all and makes me feel like a hacker or something, but it's far easier to just click around tbh, and then have the option of using the terminal if I want to.

Of course it's easier, that's why it's the most popular form of computer interface, however what it gains in ease of use it sacrifices in efficiency and precision. Conversely, a CLI is completely opaque to the uninitiated, but it is far more efficient than clicking around an arbitrary sequence of windows/tabs/menus.

Re: AI Workforce Is Already Coming for Junior Developer Jobs on Wall Street

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Post by throwaway5959 »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #17
SkyPuncher wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI has enabled my team to essentially all become polyglots. It's really amazing to be able to jump between languages, using the best tools for the domain. * JS/TS - FE * Ruby on Rails - Most of our business logic * Python - Doc and LLM specific code * Misc. other languages - niche features that make the most sense in specific languages. ---- Previously, we'd spend a lot of time on dumb little things. Things that you…

Agree, I can easily see a team of a dozen developers shrunk down by half and still maintain the same quantity and quality of output.

It’s wild how people never seem to say “wow, now our team of 12 can be twice as productive. Think about how much less stressed they’ll be and more productive we’ll be able to be for the company!”.
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