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Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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I don't care how reliable the hoster is, $5 for those specs is excessive in this market. Go to http://www.lowendbox.com/ and look at all the deals. Almost all of them are $5 or less a month at twice the specs. Concerned about reliability? The cost of one beer at a restaurant will buy you a second box at a different hoster.

Yeah. I'm considering repricing or getting rid of (or repricing and only taking yearly orders) or something for the under 512M images. I've been getting a lot of flack from people in IRC about how expensive I am even though once you move up into the 1gb range, I'm reasonably competitive with most new VPS companies (and way cheaper than the companies that have been around as long as I have.)

I mean, ram is also getting cheaper, and I need to increase ram per dollar across the board just for that, but when I set those prices? $5 was a very low 'smallest thing you can order' price. It's not any more.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

the cheapest you can possibly get It's cheap for Xen, but in the much more common case of not needing to swap out your own kernel, there are a huge variety of cheap FreeBSD and Linux OpenVZ VPSes available for around 15USD/year with decent enough storage and IPv6 (see lowendstock.com, no affiliation).. or did you mean, cheap at the high end?

I hadn't heard of lowendstock.com. At first, I thought you had misspelt lowendbox.com (I've been listed once or twice, but other than that, no affiliation, and they didn't charge me for the listing, which is a good sign. Some sites require a cut to refer customers to providers; others require a flat fee; Me, I think this introduces a unhappy bias.) Personally, I feel that a megabyte of ram in OpenVZ and a megabyte of…

lowendbox is good, but sold recently and I think there were some dramas around the new ownership or something.

I still like it though.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Hmm, there seem to be a number of syntax errors highlighted when viewing the source code. If I was inviting people to view the source, I would probably want it to be clean. Here's validator output: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fprgmr.com%2Fx...

I doubt they care.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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$(body).html().replace(/ /g,'');

Multiple errors, it should be: $("body").html(function(i,h){return h.replace(/ /g,'')}) jQuery is awesome (is even my nickname!) but sometimes plain Javascript does the trick pretty well.

yea i tried it in the firefox console after i posted it. it felt wrong and lol it was

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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post #58

I don't care how reliable the hoster is, $5 for those specs is excessive in this market. Go to http://www.lowendbox.com/ and look at all the deals. Almost all of them are $5 or less a month at twice the specs. Concerned about reliability? The cost of one beer at a restaurant will buy you a second box at a different hoster.

or you can just spend those two beers on prgrmr, or 3 beers at linode? for tech people in the West, the amount of money is so small, why would you bother going with the absolute bottom of the market?

There are... different markets. I have a whole lot of customers in the area; probably the majority. I do often meet customers at social events, and yeah, they usually don't have the tiny guests, and they usually think I'm super cheap. I mean, here in silicon valley? even mediocre Engineers pull six figures. (well, mediocre Engineers that can find employment in silicon valley; generally, but not always, that means significantly above average by the standards of most places.) so the difference between five bucks and three bucks is not a beer, it's what goes in the tip jar after you get your latte. Nobody is going to notice, and none of those people are going to buy my five dollar plan when I give you twice the ram/disk for six dollars, and really, most of those people are going for the $12 or $20 plan. I mean, having extra ram is kinda nice.

But on IRC, I meet kids from Alabama or Minnesota... or China or Myanmar. They're making less than ten bucks an hour, if they are lucky, working at wal-mart or best buy or what have you, and trying to learn about computers. I know a couple of these people starting hosting companies. Some of them are pretty good, others, well, they are interested in learning, and that's good too... but for them? that difference between three bucks and five every month is worth spending some time on.

So yeah, it's a market that I owned once, but that market has... passed me by. (and really, a lot of the people in that market seem kinda angry that I'm not keeping up with the times... which I guess I could take as a complement?) I will put some effort into it again, at some point, but it's not my current highest priority. The comment that gave this hn post it's title was actually me trying to get those people to quit buying my five dollar account, because while in '05, I had images that worked okay on it, today, out of box it just does not work very well. I didn't disable ordering on it completely mostly for irrational reasons. I am pleased and surprised that other people found it this amusing.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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post #57

Hmm.. Am a little confused with the payment page options. Do i have use the purchase additional package option to pay ? I just registered and was asked to the billing/payment page to pay. But there doesn't seem to be a simple pay button/link/tab.

I've got to manually tell the billing system to make you a bill. Sorry.

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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View source is so 2006, cool kids use the Javascript console to modify web pages as they please. document.body.innerHTML = document.body.innerHTML.replace(/ /g,'')

What's the js to make a site editable with your cursor (you can click on text in a

and then you get a cursor in it where you can insert more text, also changes your mouse cursor to indicate that you can edit, over text)? I saw it here on hn once in the comments, but then I couldn't find it again later when I needed it. (I had also saved it in a vim window but forgotten to save it, ugh!)

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from using prgmr, but EC2's reserved instance pricing makes it a lot more competitive. You can get the 3.75GB medium instance for $55/mo (1-year commitment including the up-front fee as a monthly cost) which compares nicely against prgmr's $68/mo 4GB instance ($14.67/GB vs $17/GB). In fact, I'm wondering how you came about your "I'm able to run infrastructure comprising ~500GB RAM for l…

I have a couple of the xen instances, but the vast majority of my capacity is on colo'd machines and a managed dedicated box. My total hosting bill is in the $300-$400 range. Admittedly I haven't looked closely at EC2 reserved pricing (I used the on-demand prices to get to the back of the envelope 3% number), but I still don't think it would be close. And this is month-to-month.

Not really comparing like with like, colo vs cloud

Re: "If you want to order it, use 'view source' to find the commented-out link."

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Something is confusing - nobody measures bandwidth in GiB, and _almost_ nobody measures disk space in GiB. It's useful that they emphasized the unit, otherwise 99% of their (educated) customers would have assumed 10 (network/disk) Gigabytes was 1.0 * 10^9 bytes.

The only use of GiB that I seen commonly is in Memory. Every other use of "Giga" is the SI reference.

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