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Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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If they’re applying for a visa or citizenship there’s likely requirements that you must have spent X% per year in the country and not abroad, even if it’s inside the schengen zone (or similar). Asking for the exact dates of your travel outside the country is likely the best way to do that

still my question remains, so what you give 8 days instead of actually really 12 days spent inside a country. will that affect your application?

There’s a threshold, you need to have been physically present in the US for 50% of the days of the year requirements.

For example if you’re applying for citizenship based on the 5 year rule, then you must’ve been physically present for at least 30 months (913 days to be exact) in those 5 years prior to your application. 18 months (548 days) if you’re applying based on the 3 year rule as a spouse of a US citizen.

So 8 days instead of 12 can mean it’s no big deal or it can mean you’re not eligible if those 4 days make or break your required amount of days physically present in the US.

It’s one of those silly things the government already knows but wants you report anyways.

While the US doesn’t do a passport check before leaving via the airport, airlines automatically send over departure information to CBP, that’s how they are able to show this information in the I-94 on the website.

Obviously entry is also recorded.

I suppose it’s a way to make it easier to filter out ineligible people at the beginning of processing applications without having to delve into the records to verify and in part to see if you’re honest.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Many countries don't stamp your passport anymore, many that do don't put a date, and even if I relied on that information stamps are messy, out of order, and fading. The government probably has a list of international flights I've taken somewhere. I honestly don't think they will use it they probably don't deny citizenships because I missed a couple of trips (unlike, say, not reporting frequent trips to North Korea).…

Really? Which ones? Even if I get an e-visa, I get an in and out stamp. Not having these would invalidate the whole reason for having a passport.

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Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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Traccar is relatively easy to set up, for those who might be interested in ditching Google for location history altogether.

Any conflicts with battery optimization? Google's location scraping felt more bulletproof because they seemed to prioritize it at the OS-level on Android over how normal apps function

On my iOS device, according to the battery report in the Settings app, the Traccar client does appear to use about 8% of my battery throughout the day. Google doesn’t show up at all, however, which doesn’t seem correct at all, so I’m not sure Google isn’t doing something to hide its true consumption from the OS.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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I wish I could opt out of this change. I've been asking Google to remember my location for more than a decade, and it's an amazing record of where we've been, when. I don't care that the government or Google can see it, it's still super useful. I'd pay to keep it in the cloud.

Hopefully there's some way you'll be able to get it out of your device. Obviously not as ideal as a simple checkbox in Google, but to me making you have to set up some sort of export/sync yourself is an acceptable tradeoff for what the rest of us get from this change. Of course, it's easy for me to say that, because I don't use the feature basically at all ;)

It's not that I just want to export what I have right now (which can already be done), but that the active tracking was a valuable service to me. I hope somebody offers an alternative.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

https://github.com/visgean/where I made this project to trace back where I was based on the exif data in photos.

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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> Google is trying to force through Web Environment Integrity which would eventually obliterate any remaining semblance of privacy on the web, How so?

Assuming good faith, the technology makes it possible for your browser, OS and hardware to attest that the website is running in a certain type of environment (e.g. not a bot/scraper) which could be trivially extended to attestations such as "No, this client isn't using an ad blocker". It takes even more control away from users by having their own hardware snitch on them. You can reference numerous previous discussio…

They withdraw it somewhere between 2-6 weeks ago due to the reaction.

I used to work at Google, I got over the initial 'gee we're pretty nice and concerned' thing, but would like to gently point out the tendency of people to be slightly histrionic and misinformed about it. The gap between what it was, briefly, and the confidence you have in its intent and current state are quite wide. Certainly well-intentioned and appreciated, but ultimately alarmist and inaccurate.

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> your lawyer gets to argue why it's not valid What if you can't afford a lawyer?

No court anywhere is going to get all the way to discovery in a case without representation, that's silly. If you're really in a situation where you're sued by Real Lawyers and refuse to respond like that, what will end up happening is some kind of default judgement. Discovery only happens once people start arguing about stuff. Though there is a corrolary: occasionally you'll see suits filed against John/Jane Doe def…

Great, so I get a default judgment against me! Thank goodness there's no discovery for the default judgment ... but in the penalty phase?

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

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I sometimes query this to help me recall details from years ago, so I'm sad that the encroachment of very broad government surveillance and the rise to power of extremist politicians makes it unacceptably dangerous to continue to provide the service.

I wish I could opt out of this change. I've been asking Google to remember my location for more than a decade, and it's an amazing record of where we've been, when. I don't care that the government or Google can see it, it's still super useful. I'd pay to keep it in the cloud.

WaPo article says:

>If you do decide you want that information in the cloud — say, as a backup for when you get a new phone — the data will be encrypted.

So maybe it'll still be available? https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/12/14/google-...

Re: Location history data in Google Maps will soon be stored on user devices

#170

Is there a self hosted solution to aggregating and viewing this data? I'm slowly moving away from Google and other companies clouds where I can. Would be nice to take this data out in takeout and explore it locally, but it's such a useful feature for looking back on my travels.

I modified an open source GPX recording app called Trackbook to turn it into a 24/7 recorder, and I wrote about it here:

https://voussoir.net/writing/obsessed_with_gpx

I have a few recent commits in my repository that I haven't put into a versioned APK yet though.

The output GPX files can be viewed on the PC with JOSM:

https://josm.openstreetmap.de/

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